Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

When you misquote you can win an argument, which is why you don't ever win them. If you can't debate the argument in full, don't even try. By picking out what you want to validate yourself is your means of admitting your own short comings. You don’t have the ability to debate a complete response. When someone presents an intelligent question to your debate, your response is to say that bores me, why, because it challenges your beliefs and opinions. In a way that you don’t have a valid response to. To try and continue your debate by coming up with all of these superstitions as the evidence as to why you are right, just further illustrates that you really don’t know, that you don’t have a valid response to support your opinion. We could go back and forth all day long for weeks and weeks, about you prove to me, no you prove to me, when in fact neither of us can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt one way or the other. Neither of us can prove 100% that our belief is correct and the others is wrong. A fact that is irrefutable, and the very reason I have never said you were wrong, just that I disagree with you.

Your problem here is that I haven’t made the claim that you are wrong, that I haven’t taken the stance as the stereo typical religious person might that you’re trying to depict, and that I am not trying to get you to believe one way or the other. The only thing that I claimed you were wrong about is insulting people for their opinions. People have opposing opinions, it is what makes people different. I may not agree with someone who eats cow brains, in that I think it disgusting, but that doesn’t make them fools and idiots for their taste in food. They believe it tastes great, I on the other hand am disgusted at the thought of it and haven’t ever tried it. So do I know if it really is disgusting and tastes horrible, no I have never tried it, but my belief is that it does therefore I disagree with those who do eat it. They aren’t fools or ignorant, they just have a different taste than I do.

You see, we can go on forever as to why I believe what I believe, and why you believe the way you do. Doesn’t make you wrong or right, doesn’t make me wrong or right. The only thing wrong is your approach and that you feel you need to insult others to make your point. Offended, no. Offended for other atheists and New Yorkers, yes, because if anyone were to make the assumption that you are indicative of either of those groups they would be making a horrible judgment call. Not that you claim to be the expert, oh wait you don’t claim it, you just think that you are right and everyone else is wrong. You claim to be confident, you sound more like someone with some serious insecurities to me. Someone who is confident realizes others opinions are just that, opinions. Someone who is insecure feels the need to validate themselves, by belittling others. One day, you might actually comprehend what others have been telling you all along. Then again, probably not.

 

because on other topics, nobody every uses faith to defend a position. faith ruins things, it justifies whatever it wants and is the enemy of reason and truth.

 

i didnt misquote. with regard to santa claus, you said:

"Is it true or not, can I say with 100% certainty one way or the other, no I can’t"

again, i think my point is made. you definitely do not believe in santa claus. i have won the argument.

 

i dont think it "wrong" in that sense. that is why i use the math example over and over and over and over.

5=6 is wrong. it isnt true. its stupid. i dont mean "wrong" like morally. its simply infantile and incorrect. things that are stupid and incorrect are not to be respected as sacred and infallible.

if legacy claims that 5=6 is true because god says it is, and because god has shielded our eyes to reality, i certainly cant prove that isnt true. but only an idiotic child should be fooled by the idea that an idea has merit simply because it is imagined in a way as to be unprovable.

 

Again, you misquote. You really are so full of yourself that you believe others won’t read the entire post to see exactly what was said. Again the fact that you cannot debate an entire response further cements your inability to actually debate an argument intelligently. Debate what I really said, not just pieces of it. Where did I say that there is a Santa, as depicted to children today? One that comes down the chimney and delivers presents to kids. Again, simply I didn’t say.


You see Martin, I know you take a disagreeing stance just for the sake of arguing. To try and bait people into needless, worthless, meaningless debates with you. Something I knew before I ever made my first post, leading into this discussion. My post was intended to get you to do exactly what you have done. Spew out a bunch of garbage that only you think is meaningful. That only you believe you are right. If you had noticed I, as I have said, have never tried to sway your opinion, one way or the other, nor have I tried to tell you that you were wrong and I was right. I just wanted to see if I could get you to do what you do best, and that is take a opposing stance and say anything that comes to your mind to try and validate it. Never actually making a point, never actually saying anything that bears any merit. You see Martin, the only person that you can actually convince that your opinion is the right, is yourself. You don’t have the ability to make anyone believe anything you say. If you want to continue to convince yourself that you are the smartest individual in the room, all you have to do is sit in front of a mirror and talk to yourself. I mean you are the only one listening, in case you didn’t know.

 

i thought you did. my fault. if you are too cowardly to admit whether you believe in santa claus, i think that proves my point pretty well.

 

Thank you for playing, you just confirmed my point. Circles, is all you got, come up with something that actually proves your point.