Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

well, to be fair, atheism is the view that smarter people take, and religions are generally for stupider people with poor critical thinking skills.

yes, like i have said before, that is what is so fascinating. lots of people that are far smarter than me are religious. they cant get everything right i suppose.

on this particular topic, i am smart, and they are stupid, yes. intelligence is a multi-faceted thing. i am not good at lots of things. an other people are bad at some things. lots of people are very stupid when it comes to accepting reality. i am not. i am better than you at it, almost all of you. i am sure there are things you would murder me at. but the fact remains, being religious is very stupid and if you are religious you should be ashamed.

again, i dont say that. there are so many things i cant do or i am wrong about. i make mistakes constantly at very easy tasks. but on this particular topic i am superior to you, and you are idiotic. there is no reason i shouldnt be honest about it. if you want to have a math contest or something we can prove that you are awesome and i am a moron.

 

There lies the root problem with your logic. You see, you come off as you are generalizing that all who disagree with you are idiots, fools, and ignorant, not that in regards to a particular topic. You always present your argument in a way that gives the impression that you are superior at all things towards anyone that doesn’t share your same opinion. On top of that the fatal flaw in your logic is that you believe that the evidence that exists has come to a 100% conclusion that everything having to do with religion is false, doesn’t exist, and anyone who believes in it is a fool, stupid, or ignorant. You have come to a conclusion that, even those that do the research, that have made the findings, and are way smarter than you are I, haven’t come to. Scientists have not come to the 100% conclusion that the possibility of a creator (God) is false. How can you come to this conclusion, so definite, so finite, so complete, when the evidence just isn’t there? Is there evidence the questions and comes up with possible theories as to how and why things have happened and come to be? Sure there are, but even they are just theories, not absolute facts. Are there discovered facts that have explained how everything was created, sure there are. Even science though, hasn’t come to the conclusions that you have. That God doesn’t exist, that religion is completely wrong.

Another problem with your logic is that you are interpreting the Bible, as though, it is the exact account of what happened according to those who wrote it, told the stories, and God. That it is an absolute. A flaw that many religious people make as well, in my opinion. Has it ever occur to you that maybe God didn’t explain everything to early developed man (Adam and Eve). That maybe God only gave a Readers Digest version for man to have a basic knowledge, knowing that early man wouldn’t be able to comprehend everything that took place before man was created. Where does it say, anywhere in the Bible, that dinosaurs, early man (cave men), all the phases of evolution, etc weren’t part of God’s creation process? Where does God say that none of this happened? He doesn’t, it is man’s (religions in general) interpretation. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe God, in his infinite wisdom, gave man the ability to think, develop, progress, learn, create, etc? Giving man the ability to research, study, and find (science if you will) the explanations to how everything came to be. Discover it over time, discover it at a pace that God knew man could accept and comprehend what it took to create everything. Basically having it so science would discover and explain what he left out.

This is not to say this is the account or even close to what really is, but the possibility that it could be is what makes you the one who is a fool. The fact that you are so closed minded to even you can’t acknowledge this possibility. I can understand not accepting it, no one says you have to, but an intelligent individual looks at all the aspects and realizes that there are certain things we just simply don’t know. Given that fact an intelligent individual would realize that, even though someone may have an opposing opinion to their own, that they just have a differing opinion, not that they are ignorant fools. Your closed mindedness alone makes you the fool. If one can’t be open minded enough to accept that there are other possibilities then they are the one who lacks intelligence, lacks knowledge, and is ignorant.

 

that is true to some extent, but mostly you guys are hypersensitive. stop worrying about being insulted and just recognize that faith is stupid.

it is called confidence.

i certainly do not think or say that, and if you read what i say instead of acting offended you would know that i have said maybe 100 times that isnt the case. its the whole basis of my ongoing argument with red about the4 definition of atheism. and i have been going over it over and over and over for years.

i havent. like i said. maybe religions are right. maybe red is god. maybe santa is real. i cant prove that any of these things are untrue. in fact maybe you are god. i positively cant prove you arent.

it really is as if not a single one of you morons has ever listened to a word i have said.

well according to religious folks there are answers. but you are right, there are no answers. i am not the one making up the lies, hoss. i am the one accepting the unknowns. i am not the one with the arrogance that claims to know things i do not know.

of course i am not doing that nor have ever done anything close to that.

being neither retarded nor an ape, these things to do not really cross my mind.

maybe the easter bunny did all those things. thats my theory. if you say my theory is wrong then you are arrogant, because you cannot prove my theory is wrong, not even the top scientists can.

see, i dont mind when i am insulted.

why are you close minded to my ideas about red being god, or the easter bunny? why cant you give them a chance? the arrogance!

religious people do not accept that they dont know. i am the one that does that. religious people make up the answers.

dont blame me because people are ignorant fools. and dont pretend you dont do the same thing i do. if you see some savages or indians or whatever doing a rain dance, or tom cruise worshiping aliens or something, you know damn well you think they are idiots. you just dont want to be judgeed by those standards yourself.

i continue to not mind your insults.

which is why i hate your for not believing in santa claus even though you dont have a shred of evidence proving he doesnt exist. he can make himself undetectable, yunno.

 

I would make fun of the typo...alas I made it a new year’s resolution to be more tolerant of other peoples typos. Seems like a good Christian thing to do.

 

First off, I am not offended in any way. I am just pointing out the flaws in your logic. If you are saying you simply don’t know, then how can you generalize in that those who do have the belief that God is real, are fools? If you simply don’t know then you accept the possibility, which would make you equally a fool and ignorant. I have not called you directly a fool for not believing or acknowledging his existence. I just disagree with you. I never said that your beliefs were foolish, nor have I ever said that you are 100% wrong. I think you are 100% wrong and foolish for acting like and insulting people for having a differing opinion to yours. I think your responses are ignorant in that they are always presented in a way that generalizes all for an individual having a differing opinion. I don’t find you offensive in any way. In order for you to offend me you would have to actually have an opinion that had relevance and merit.

You constantly insult those who have faith in God, because of your beliefs, yet you yourself admit you simply don’t know. You continue to try and present your argument as though, because you think you are right, that others lack intelligence. You ask for others to prove you wrong, when you cannot prove them wrong. Which leads to why you simply don’t know. You’re making generalizations about all those who are religious, yet you aren’t talking to all of them. Generalizations that you are basing on a couple of religious people you have met, yet not based on facts. If we were to determine that all atheists think and believe as you do, then the title to this thread might actually have some validity. Thankfully I know several atheists that, although they share much of your belief as it pertains to religion and God, do not share your opinion of those that do.

You disagree with my interpretation of much of what you say, but perception is 90% reality, and how I am interpreting your discussion is exactly how it is presented. Then you depict me as the arrogant one for not; what you say is accepting the possibility of your opinion, but what you mean is, not agreeing with you. The saying it isn’t what you say, but rather how you say it, comes to mind.

As for believing in Santa, again you put words in my mouth. I never made a claim one way or the other. To answer your question, yes I believe in the history that depicts an individual call Santa Clause. As to whether or not that physical being still exists, I simply don’t know. Whether or not he can fly around the world with 8 tiny reindeer in a sleigh, well considering the addition of that part of Santa Clause, and they way he is depicted, didn’t come about until Clement Clarke Moore wrote the book “Twas the Nite Before Christmas”, in 1823, who knows, other than the laws of physics pretty much disagree with that possibility. Is it true or not, can I say with 100% certainty one way or the other, no I can’t. What I do know is he doesn’t show up at my house, in that physical form. What does happen however, is a day that has been estimated as Jesus’ Birthday, and has been given the name Christmas, is a day that Christians have decided is a day of peace on earth, a day of giving, a day of unselfishness, a day to express one’s kindness and love towards others, a day in which gifts are given as a token of those expressions. Now if I and Christians are fools for choosing a specific day to express good will and giving towards family, friends, and strangers then at least we are fools that are trying to make the world a better place.

Now I am done with this discussion. You can continue to ridicule those who have faith in God and religion, but you aren’t the first and you won’t be the last. Religion has been a topic of debate for a long time and will continue to be. To each his own, but to not realize that others have differing opinions, even if only on this one topic, and to think them fools for it, really shows how ignorant one can be.

 

which typo? i type the word alot that way on purpose, the way i type "yunno" instead of you know.

also, for the record typos shouldnt be corrected, because they are not mental errors, but errors in typing. i am not concerned with my typing errors. but by all means correct my grammar i enjoy the help. but dont bother with the errors that are clearly based on my laziness.

 

because they are pretending to know things they do not know.

think of any superstition you dont believe in . literally anything. like the idea that breaking a mirror is 7 years bad luck. how do you know that isnt true? you dont do you? i mean you literally cant prove it, but you know, right? thats how i know your superstition is stupid. same thing.

all of that bores me, i like to talk about god and how stupid it is to believe in him, not me and how i taunt you. instead go back and think of my example with the mirror superstition. think of what an arrogant ass you are for not accepting the superstition.

that is a lie. you do know. you are certain he is a fantasy. i have won this argument by forcing you to adopt an obviously dishonest and absurd position in order to be consistent. i hope the rest of you religious folks are paying attention.

thats how its done, fellas.

 

Didn’t realize you were too lazy to hit a space bar…carry on.

 

you keep saying "imagination" in the sense like i might imagine myself hitting the game winning home run in the world series as a child. again, these folks are believing these things to be reality. not the same thing.

no, again, these ideas are wrong in the same sense that 5=6 is wrong. you can say that 5=6, but it doesnt, and if you think it does you are being an idiot that could use a proper mocking.

the extent to which i have been personally insulting is wildly exaggerated.

thanks. and i do. i actually have made a couple close friends into atheists, and their children will be raised without religion. i deserve the GD nobel prize for that.

i will try to be nicer even though i dont think i have been that mean. i think people are absurdly sensitive because they know they are lying to themselves and hate it.