Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

that is correct.

i still dont understand why you can mock other people's beliefs all you want but when i do it is frowned upon as "ideological intolerance". i'm not clear on why faith gets a free pass. wrong ideas are simply wrong even if they are based on faith.

 

why? of course it is wrong!

absurd.

if i claimed we need lower taxes for the rich, and i argued this based on faith, would you not challenge me? of course you would!

a wacky claim is a wacky claim regardless of whether it is backed by horrible evidence or faith/no evidence at all.

there is only one standard for truth. evidence and reality. there should be no free pass for faith. if you have faith you are saying you have given up on being smart and sane. you are saying you simply dont care about reality, you just want your stupid fantasy to be real and you dont care about truth. that is an attitude that people should be ashamed of, and we as a society should be honest about that. faith is childish and absurd.

we shouldnt be a bunch of politically correct idiots, afraid to call each other out for nonsense. the idea that we can make up whatever we want and believe it because of faith is ridiculous.

also your position is not honest. you definitely would mock an adult that believed santa claus based on faith. and there is no difference between that and the modern religions.

 

So have we made in new arguments or are we still beating the same dead horse....










ah, appears to be the latter. I'm going back to watching football now.

 

you whine alot

 

but they are not arguing that they are imagining it, they claim it is real.

they dont think they are myths. you calling them myths is kinda insulting. good work. you of course agree that when people think myths are real then that is a stupid position to take? good we agree.

but my position was based on a misinterpretation of evidence, not faith. if i had said i simply had faith i was right, would that be acceptable? of course not, that would be stupid. people should not be given an easy way out like that. faith as a concept is wrong and should be discouraged.

christians claim that their beliefs are truth and that if you dont believe that you are going to burn for all eternity. seems like a perfectly criticism-worthy position.

of course it isnt, i have convinced many people to be faithless.

you are brainwashed. you have been taught that certain viewpoints are sacred and beyond question. you are part of the problem. tolerance of nonsense gets us into trouble. and i dont mean l we should be shutting people up or whatever, just that we should be honest with each other. there should be no special designation for faith-based beliefs that makes them unmockable.

 

im not sure if this is what you mean, but i think 94% (that is, not the atheists-5% + religious-1%) of them are neither because they really dont care.

 

to not really care is to be atheist. if you dont care to be theist, you are atheist.

i also , i want to ask red, is there is any point of view on any topic that is worth scorn and mockery? if so, would that POV still be worth mocking if it were claimed to be faith based? or would that make the opinion above criticism?

 

Martin, there is a difference between scorn and mockery, always jumping to people are idiots and unintelligent just because they don't share your beliefs. It takes a pretty unintelligent and a foolish individual to believe that their opinion is so right that anyone who disagrees is a fool, an idiot, unintelligent, etc. I think there are some pretty intelligent CEO's, politicians, scientists, world leaders, etc that all disagree with you. According to you, you are more intelligent, smarter than, and right, where as they are all unintelligent, ignorant, foolish, and wrong.

Also, it could be said that you have a God like image of yourself, you think you are never wrong and you never make mistakes, and to disagree with you or question you is not tolerated.