Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Indeed. The examination of chicken entrails is prescribed. And a self-proclaimed holy man must ritually collect an offering before pronouncing the miracle.
     
  2. LEGACY TIGER

    LEGACY TIGER Defy Yourself

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    It would take someone intelligent enough to see beyond their own bias to comprehend that. You my friend are obviously intelligent.
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i said from the start that you were saying nothing, making no point at all. you just proclaimed that some wonderful events happened once. good for you i guess.
     
  4. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Nope. At least that's not what I got out of his rantings. He's been saying that he's created a rationale within his own gray matter and even though it makes no logical sense whatsoever he's going to continue to use this personal definition of how he thinks the unseen world works to live by.

    It's the same sort of personal indifference that leads people to blow up government buildings and fly aircraft into landmarks. Now, those are definitely extreme circumstances and I do not mean to insinuate that they are normal. Take Industrial Safety as an example though. It might not make sense to you to lock out a piece of equipment when someone is working on it because no one else is around, but you do it anyway because it forms good habits. Somewhere, sometime that could very well kill you if all the pieces fall into place.

    So, while I doubt that LT is about to grab his deer rifle and head to the nearest abortion clinic, it's a tragedy that this kind of behavior is accepted and even in some cases encouraged. It's cool contained within walls of your home, but we're not talking about a chemical habit or something that can be kept contained within four walls. It's an idea which is not restricted by physical walls and it that empowers the logically challenged becoming dangerous to us all.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Now there is a giant leap of illogic. You want to try again?

    What he's been saying is that he can believe in God, Frodo, or the Tooth Fairy without having to dismiss any science over it. I have no issue with people having faith, inspiration, vision, or an imagination. I only object when they try to dismiss science or put forth phony science. He has not really done this, nor has Supa.

    You and martin live in a black and white world and cannot perceive any shades of gray. You have no tolerance for those who do not fall neatly into your skewed world view where there are only atheists and fools. There are a great many people who are neither. The people who cannot accept this are the fools.

    martin tries to mask his ideological intolerance by mockery and insults and you by the absurd suggestion that Legacy's rhetoric leads to terrorism. Damned if I can see how this scores any points for either of you.
     
  6. LEGACY TIGER

    LEGACY TIGER Defy Yourself

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    Glad to see we have a resident psychologist, who is another one who believes that their own self image is greater than everyone elses. You might be shocked to know that there are more people who believe in christianity and God, yet acknowledge the importance and findings of science, than you know. I don't believe any of them are going to go out and start blowing up buildings.
     
  7. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Really? A giant leap?

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    Almost every time I turn on the TV I see examples of people doing the same thing: using personal rationale created in their make-believe world to kill someone who doesn't feel the way they feel or even worse, kill people just hanging around the wrong area when the **** goes down. "Giant leap", you say? I call it "stating the obvious"...

    There's plenty of gray in the world. I believe that there might be a god out there, but until I see evidence of it I chalk it up to "I don't know". What I don't do is go around creating fairy tales to set my mind at ease. I don't have to know the answer to everything. Imagination is great, but when you start making life choices around it, then you're headed down the road of fools and bringing your loved ones with you. One of these days that might have a direct impact on my life or the lives of my loved ones.
     
  8. LEGACY TIGER

    LEGACY TIGER Defy Yourself

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    MLU, you really have nothing to worry about. It isn't those who use a logical rational to define some of the issues in life, it is those that use extreme ideologies to impose their will. There is a big difference. I would think you're intelligent enough to understand that, but then again.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes, it's a giant leap of illogic. A friggin' huge leap to say that personal faith leads to terrorism.

    You confuse religion with fanaticism. Those who commit terror or genocide are fanatics. Few religious people are fanatics, in fact, few people of any group are fanatics. But those that are fanatics are the danger.

    Timothy McVeigh was not religious. His terror was based on fanaticism. Same with the Unabomber. Hitler committed genocide against Jews. Another fanatic that was not religious. It was racial profiling, not religious profiling that he had against the Jews. Take Jim Jones . . . religious for sure, but his crimes were because of his insane fanaticism.

    The problem with Al Qaeda is that they are fanatics, not that they are muslims.

    Neither do I. Nor do I go around demanding that my agnostic worldview be accepted by all. Nor do I go around accusing those who believe in God of being terrorists or fools.
     
  10. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    No, I didn't confuse the two. It's starts somewhere and personal religious beliefs are the seed that sows a lot of fanaticsm. I'm pretty sure that I made it very clear that it's where it starts and that I have no doubts that LT is not on the violent end of the spectrum.
     

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