Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

why because they were magic?

oh, science. got it.

wait, it was magic then? i am confused. how unlikely does an event have to be before you would consider it a "miracle"?

again i am not sure i understand what you are saying. presumably you are saying that the your children were conjured up by magic because otherwise their birth would have been impossible?

 

No, jack, 1 of them almost died during birth and the other was born with a tumor that took 4 surgeries to remove before he was 3 yrs old, and the other was a preemie.

Yes, I know it was science and medicine that made it possible for them to be healthy today, but it was nothing short of a miracle that any of them are alive.

I could take the time to explain to you the horrors, but you're not worth it. I actually thought you might be intelligent enough to pick up on what I was saying without having to go into it. But as I said you are so consumed with yourself and trying to prove your point, you can't see the forest thru the trees.

I could also take the time to explain to you the relevance of science and religion and how they compliment each other, but you wouldn't get it. Just know, here is a puzzle for you, what God created, science attempts to explain.

 

are you aware that complications during pregnancy are pretty normal? health problems in general are a relatively common thing.

to me all that trouble seems like miraculously bad luck. maybe it means the devil hates you. most folks dont have to deal with all that, maybe you were being punished.

what does that mean, "miracle"? does it mean "magic" or "unlikely"? if my child has a difficult birth does that means jesus saved the world?

you could just be vague. you could say "this was the kind of thing that happens to one person in a million, and that makes it a miracle." of course at that rate the event could happen to a thousand people, just in china. i am not sure but i think your point is that the existence of events that happen at a rate of less than 50/50 means that magic exists.

the word is complement. the root word is "complete".

 

Maybe you should understand the full definition of miracle:

World English Dictionary
miracle (ˈmɪrək ə l) — n 1. an event that is contrary to the established laws of nature and attributed to a supernatural cause 2. any amazing or wonderful event 3. a person or thing that is a marvellous example of something: the bridge was a miracle of engineering 4. short for miracle play 5. ( modifier ) being or seeming a miracle: a miracle cure [C12: from Latin mīrāculum, from mīrārī to wonder at]


And thank you for correcting me, because you are correct Religion and Science do complete each other.

 

right, an amazing or wonderful event. what is the relevance?

a birth is a pretty common event. complications are amazing (but not wonderful). are you saying that you have miraculously bad luck because most births are simple easy and yours are terribly difficult? again, it sounds like you are arguing in favor of the existence of satan, not god.

it just isnt clear what your point is. it seems like you are trying to say that an unfortunate event happened and therefore jesus is magic.

 

Which is it dude? First you say that birth complications are pretty common, then you call it terribly bad luck. If you can’t even keep your own debate straight how is anyone supposed to listen to your ramblings? All, you have done is continue to prove to the entire board how much of an ass you are for even trying to get into a debate with me, which of course you enjoy, and how much you are so consumed with yourself and your opinion. Thanks for playing keep going on you will sooner or later realize being right isn’t always important.

 

bad luck is pretty common.

did you read the book, "the life of pi"? it was a religious allegory, won all sorts of awards. the whole book was basically what you just said. being right is not important. you might as well just believe in whatever makes you happy. it was a stupid book.

 

Again, which is it, pretty common, bad luck, or something most don't have to deal with? Common would mean something that happens a lot. I don't get what you are trying to get at.

Again you are just babbling to try and make your point.

 

It just occurred to me how absolutely batshyt crazy it must drive you, on several fronts, how much time, effort, energy, and money our gov’t spends on supporting religion and it’s place in society. I mean they give out billions of grant funds annually to non-profit faith based organizations to support them and support their community outreach programs. Grants that are funded by federal tax dollars. Why, now that I think about it, I am sure that you are a tax paying citizen of the USA and your tax dollars go to help support these religious organizations. Why thank you, it does my heart good knowing that something so meaningless to you, and so against your personal beliefs ends up getting the best of you.

Here is just one example of how your gov’t is helping out and how your tax dollars are working to keep religion at the forefront in today’s society.

http://www.dol.gov/oasam/grants/FRRA-of-1993-Guidance.pdf

 

Religion is an answer to an unexplainable question, and secondarily a means to control the morality of the people. You either do this and that and abstain from these other things or you will perish eternally, reincarnate as a impoverished African, etc. blah blah blah. People either follow the hordes or try to find an answer for themselves. What people decide for themselves is up to them, but I don't feel like hearing it incessantly, it only shows your insecurity in your beliefs and that you must convince everyone that you are correct to validate yourself. Call me crazy, but I don't want jesus freaks making decisions on my behalf either, but that's my fault for living here.

To those who assume others feel threatened by something they don't believe in, it is more likely that it's you who feel threatened and must project your insecurities in others. Just saying, that is human nature.

Legacy, your childrens' health are miracles and you are a very lucky man, I'm truly happy for you.