Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

So you're saying faith in God is not real because some may murder and then claim God told them to do it? However, human (for the sake of the discussion, American) law is very clear on what murder is and is not, and is therefore better? OK, and yet.....

Jury hung again revenge killing trial | Fox 11 | KMSB Tucson | Local News

Nowhere in American criminal code will you find that killing for revenge is legal, but here's a jury that has been clearly instructed on their duty, yet can't bring itself to convict a man who killed his child's molester. No matter where you draw your definitions of right and wrong, ultimately, flawed human beings will blur the lines, usually for their own benefit.

 

It's called a comparison.

It's not a proper question. It presupposes that abortion is murder and I just addressed that it isn't. You can make whatever statement you wish about Christian politics. But if you are going to ask a question of me, you can't imbed a description in it that I don't accept.

 

But they don't always work, because they are subject to the judgement of flawed human beings. Faith is the same way. To declare faith to be a fraud because not everyone interprets and exercises it the same way is akin to declaring the legal system a failure because people still commit crimes. Or maybe like declaring medical science a fraud because people still get sick.

BTW, I don't consider questions about my faith to be off limits. I do consider it to be unnecessarily rude to have my faith insulted; for instance, to say it is not real. I do not insult your decision to place your faith in science, and can't help it if other people do.

 

What I said was....

My wording very specifically distinguished between the two. You are imbedding your own presupposition into the question, which I now ask you for the third time. Or maybe you are just misunderstanding the question; I'll rephrase: Do you believe Christianity (and by that I mean world-wide leaders of the major sects of structured Christianity, like the Pope) think murdering abortion doctors is an acceptable means to eliminate the practice of abortion?

 

At last, a proper question. Thank you.

No, I don't believe mainstream Christianity approves of murdering doctors to protest abortion. Nevertheless Christian terrorists continue to do so. This is why I disagreed with your suggestion that non-Christians have nothing to fear in the United States.

 

Very good. Let's bring it home, shall we? Martin, are you paying attention? I'll remind you of an earlier comment you made:

Hate crime statistics for the US, circa 2009, from the FBI's website:

Yes, my friends, a Catholic was statistically more likely to be the victim of a hate crime in America than an atheist or agnostic. These stats are roughly the same as they've been since 2004, when the FBI was using a different formatting for reporting stats.

Victims - Hate Crime Statistics, 2009

 

I spelled out the message in plain and simple English:

You don't undertand because you are choosing to be obtuse. You are the one who said religious minorities feel unsafe. Well Christians make up more than 75% of the US population, while atheists/agnostics make up less than 2%. Yet, FBI crime numbers show atheists are statistically less likely to be the target of hate than Christians. Your superior pre-conceived notion does not withstand the scrutiny of cold, hard fact, which is what you've been telling us makes science superior to faith. You lose.

Merry Christmas.