Do you treat atheist like second class citizens?

Not getting into the argument, I just want to know, are you saying that 100% of religious people are morons, or, just the religious people that don't think the theory of evolution has any merit? I ask, because there are religious people that do believe that the theory of evolution does have some merit, but like religion isn’t as cut and dry as some would like to have it explained.

As to some religion is a myth, since it can’t be explained thru scientific facts, and to some the theory of evolution isn't complete, because it isn't explained with absolute fact.

 

at the moment no. right now i am saying that 100% of people that doubt evolution are doing it for religious reasons. if you tell me you doubt evolution, i know immediately that you are a person of faith. you can go into whatever science, but really you are talking about faith.

well, that is moronic.

a few years back i was really into evolution. i read many books about it and thought about it all the time. it was incredible. evolution is such an awesome process, so logical and spectacular and important. it explains so much, so well. to understand evolution is to have an infinitely better grasp of so many things, including human behavior.

well, religion is all nonsense, so there is that. and evolution is plenty cut and dried for fellas like us. the details that are up for argument are specific and detailed beyond the scope of laymen.

i hate to go in circles with years-old points, but it is literally true that gravity is a concept debated in the scientific community. in that sense the theory of gravity is "incomplete", in the exact same sense that evolution is.

please dont misunderstand. i meant that as a perfect literal comparison. gravity is real and true and accepted in the exact same sense that evolution is. there is nothing to debate. to deny evolution is exactly equivalent to denying that gravity exists, even as it holds you in your chair.

 

Faith is both rational and common. Even you have it. When you write a check or use a debit card you have faith that the money that you deposited in the bank is still there. You don’t call the bank and check each time before you access the account. And you can’t say it’s an absolute mathematical fact - sometimes the money is stolen. A very simple example that illustrates a complex social need. No society can run without its members having faith in their established social system and in each other. Faith is the glue that holds a society together. There is a direct correlation between the strength of a society and the faith of its members.

 

because of evidence. i know the bank works, i know exactly why the bank works. if i wanted i could go ask the guys at the bank the entire process. no faith involved. you are using the word in a differetn sense and pretending you made a point. when i say faith, i mean the kind that helps you believe without evidence, the kind god rewards you for.

it is always shocking how poorly believers understand the simplest concepts.

i can look up the math and show almost exactly the percentage of money that is stolen, and i also know the fact is that my credit cards reimburse me for fraud. again, not a single bit of faith required.

trusting your bank is a proper and rational decision based on reason and nothing else. not one single slight tiny ounce of faith is required.

 

First it’s good to see your back to actually reading more than the first sentence of a post before replying.

As far as your point about money always being reimbursed, tell it to Bernie Madoff's customers. Tell them you personally guarantee it.

 

right. this is like talking to a child.

we were talking about credit cards and the bank, not uninsured investments.

if i had money invested with a fund manager or whatever, i would be aware that loss is possible. unlike my bank in which case it requires literally zero faith to know that my money is 99.999% safe.

again, you are using a different definition of the word "faith" to make a very very stupid point. i am gonna take a few pages off this thread, if you are lucky red will talk to you, but you may be too boring for him.

 

Ohh insurance, like AIG.
And that 99.99%, thats because you have faith that our government will do what they promised. And of course history proves that governments never fail.

 

Well, we are making progress then.