Do you #standwithahmed?

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  1. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    So you can see what is behind the lining of the brief case? I can't.
     
  2. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    People think a bomb looks like, well, a bomb. A bomb can be made to look like almost anything. There could have been enough of a powerful explosive in the part of that case we can't see to kill everybody in that classroom.
     
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  3. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    There are better photos on the internet and yes, you can tell there is nothing under the lining.
     
  4. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    No one said anything about being expected to be an expert, so calm down lady. I understand not everyone is as calm and composed as me under stressful situations. I know that schools have drills now on what to do if there is a gunman. It just seems logical that there would be some discussion on recognition of bombs.

    It's not that complicated of a discussion to have and one need not be considered an "expert". You need to look for a power source, a trigger device and an explosive. You can't have a bomb without all three. If TSA and airline baggage handlers can figure it out, certainly teachers handle it.
     
  5. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Ahh on the Internet, well that makes it all better. If you are asking me personally if this was a bomb I could tell you the answer is no. I also have 22 years of experience working with explosives. I don't expect a teacher to be able to come to the same conclusion after seeing a power point presentation. Easy to grab a snake with another man's hand pal
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I have mixed feelings, as you might imagine. Shane is right--most people could not recognize a bomb. Stacey is right--it only matters that it is disturbing to people who have seen only Hollywood bombs. And MLU is right-- it looks exactly like a homemade clock to a science teacher.

    If the science teacher had acknowledged the project and explained to the kid about the other issues and confiscated the clock, none of the rest of the comedy of errors need have happened. Just take it to the office and let them call the kid parents and explain the situation to them. The overreaction and poor judgment of the other teachers, administration and cops need not have happened. If they wanted to cover their ass, they could ask the police to examine it to confirm it was parts the kid got out of his fathers electronics business. Then get everyone to agree that it needs to go into the dumpster.
     
  7. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    You could have stopped right there.
     
  8. uscvball

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    Turns out Ahmed wasn't exactly the well-behaved child that some thought.

    "once built a remote control to prank the classroom projector and bragged of reciting his First Amendment rights in the principal’s office.....It’s also the school where Ahmed racked up weeks of suspensions."

    According to his History teacher, "He was a weird little kid....I saw a lot of him in me. That thirst for knowledge … he’s one of those kids that could either be CEO of a company or head of a gang"....That teacher "segued from the textbooks into his personal memories of the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War.

    He wanted his students — 4 out of 5 at Sam Houston are considered poor by the state — to question the world and its expectations of them. Not to let adults control them.

    Ahmed was as good a disciple as anyone."


    "But Ahmed’s intelligence shone through in the classroom, in robotics club, and in the homemade inventions he would often cram into his backpack.

    Some of his middle school teachers were surprised to hear that MacArthur High staff called police this month after Ahmed brought a homemade clock to class. He had dragged far more elaborate gizmos into Sam Houston all the time.

    When a seemingly possessed projector kept shutting off midlecture, young boys’ snickers surrounded Ahmed’s desk, where he sat with a hand-built remote control in his lap.

    When a tutor’s cellphone went dead, Ahmed’s jerry-rigged battery charger brought it back to life.

    Some of these creations looked much like the infamous clock — a mess of wires and exposed circuits stuffed inside a hinged case"

    "It didn’t take Ahmed long to learn fluent English. Once he did, he had a habit of overusing it — trying to impress classmates with a nonstop stream of chatter, teachers said, and often annoying them instead......

    While his discipline record is confidential and his father didn’t want to discuss it, the file was thick by some accounts.

    Ahmed said he was suspended for several weeks in sixth grade. A family friend, Anthony Bond, said the boy and a cousin were blowing soap bubbles in the bathroom, and the school overreacted.......

    A few months later — after a misunderstood clock and sudden fame interrupted his first month of high school — Ahmed wondered if his old teacher had noticed.

    He grinned wide last week when a reporter told him that Kubiak had called.

    Minutes later, the boy was on the phone with Kubiak, his bare feet dangling from an unmade bed. They spoke not of politics or religion, but of New York and Good Morning America. Of whether middle-school persecutors regretted it now.

    I told you one day I’m going to be — and you told me yourself — I’m going to be really big on the Internet one day,” Ahmed said.

    But privately, Kubiak worried about fame’s effect on “an immature, fertile mind.”

    At Sam Houston, he said, he’d often warn his students “to keep the adults out of it.”

    “The adults have an agenda,” he would say. “The adults are using you.”



    So IMO, this is no average 14-year old. He is smart, precocious, and probably a little ADD too. He had been in trouble many times (Hello, parents!) and had brought in all kinds of devices previously. He sought attention from everyone and then didn't like the kind he got so now yes, Ahmed, you are really big on the internet.
     
  9. uscvball

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    A science teacher who has probably never seen an IED. Hollywood sometimes gets it right. You think they pay those consultants money just to have props that are total bullshit? I would say it looks somewhere in between a toy and the real deal....exactly why he should never have brought it to school.

    I had that same point of view about the science teacher (sorta still do) until reading about Ahmed. He was annoying and constantly seeking attention. Former teachers said it got overwhelming because he never shut up. With a history of prior homemade projects, a reputation as a prankster, and being annoying, the science teacher probably just got fed up on this one and told him to put it away.

    Ahmed had been in detention before. He was very happy to rely on his "rights" and repeated them. He knew he'd be big on the internet one day. This kid is getting everything he wanted.....everything! He's all over TV, the internet, social media, trips to CA and NY, Dr. Oz, the White House, MIT. And now his parents claim he has PTSD. Phuck that.
     
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  10. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on Ahmed's "invention" of a remote that could control the classrooms' projectors. Last spring, the students at my school would do this in many of the classrooms. They didn't invent anything, as with most things these days, "There's an app for that." The students were downloading an app and would use their phones as remotes.
     
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