Do you disagree with any of this?

yunno the holocaust was caused by a defective bunch of germans born arond 1895 that lacked a gene for awareness of jew killing. luckily in america the "greatest generation" was coming along with special powers for freeing europe. and even more importantly a special generation of hardy russians that were so huge in number and also magic genetics that they crushed the nazis from the east. lets define history in terms on bullshit nonsense.

 

your defense is irrelevant. it would be different if we did not have economic metrics to measure such things or if we never kept financial records, but we do. therefore, it is very easy to make such comparisons. Sorry if you cannot see or understand this. Further, if you had read this thread in it's entirety you would also see that I have never placed all blame squarely on the shoulders of the Boomers. This is a fallacy that Red began because he got angry when I made my initial claim that the Boomers were, and are, the most fiscally irresponsible generation in the history of our country. This fact is supported by many different metrics as I have pointed out throughout this post. My claim isn't based on anything more than factual evidence. Boomers have been, as a whole, very financially irresponsible and the proof is in the pudding: Boomers have a record number of bankruptcies, record credit card debt, haven't saved enough for retirement and all of this has bled into their political dealings as well.

 

well in the future i hope the mothers of america do not have the audacity to produce another bunch of people with the same sensibilities. expectng mothers should wait until a date that is safe to have a child and not in between the arbitrary dates you describe

 

Look, I am not going to keep saying the same things over and over again. I have made my case and I have made it well. I have duly noted the accomplishments of the Greatest Generation versus the Boomers. There simply isn't enough historical evidence to compare Boomers to any other surviving generation. You can call my opinion anything you like but you cannot deny the fact that I have based my argument in facts, citing study after study and metric after metric, though you have chosen to totally ignore it. In contrast, you have offered nothing but opinion articles published by other Boomers who are just as angry as you.

You make statements like, "Now you have lost all credibility...." in an effort to disqualify or minimize what I say, yet you cannot provide factual evidence, as I have done on numerous occasions, to the contrary. Your responses are angry rants that lack cohesion and prove nothing. It is often hard to respond because your arguments are so scattered.

If you do not understand China's power then you simply do not understand my friend. Economic power is perhaps more potent than Military power. I know what the classic definition of "superpower" is but the fact that you are trying to kill this discussion over semantic details tells me that you are not willing to have this debate on the merits. China is smart and they understand very clearly that they do not need a powerful military to sink us; all they really need is patience. If we continue on the path we are on then they will never need to fire a shot to become more powerful than us because we will self-implode. Further, terrorist groups are attempting to do to us the same thing that the Vikings, Gauls, Visigoths and Vandals did to the Romans....sack them over and over in an effort to cripple their economy. Look what 9/11 did to our economy. If you think the Chinese are interested in a shooting war with us you are sorely mistaken....they are letting others do that. In the mean time they are simply feeding us more rope by loaning us more money and allowing us to hang ourselves.

Lastly, I have never tried to lay all of this at the feet of the Boomers. I made a statement that the Boomers were the most fiscally irresponsible generation in American History and I stick by that claim. I have tried, on several occasions, to remind you of this but you repeatedly choose to ignore it. I have also been very clear that every generation has their down falls: The Greatest Generation was very a racist....you are correct. I am sure that after enough time my own generation will be implicated for it's own failings. That said, Boomers have been more financially irresponsible than any other generation. Sorry that this offends you so deeply but I refuse to back off of something that I know to be true and, more so, that the facts support.

I too am growing weary of this argument with you and refuse to waste any more of my own time on it. I have often agreed with, and defended, your positions during the course of my time on TF but this is one thing that we will just have to disagree on. I assure you it is nothing personal nor do I consider myself biased against Boomers. I recognize the failings of the GG also and as I have said over and over, my own generation will have our failings too. Understanding what was done wrong and right in the past and learning from those mistakes or victories is why we study history. If we cannot extract those lessons from the sins and/or successes of our fathers and grandfathers then why bother? If my son cannot one day learn from my mistakes then we should all pack it up and go home.

 

well said....me too.