You're misunderstanding me if you think that's my concern. I've seen far too many coaches who were mediocre, at best, reach a double digit win mark due to where they were coaching. When they are put at another school they don't have success. I've seen good coaches get their shot at a better school and prove they were good coaches no matter where they were. I believe that applies to Saban. I believe that applies to Art Briles—Houston to Baylor. Sumlin seems to be one as well—Houston to A&M. @LaSalleAve might call Todd Graham a nobody. I don't know. I certainly knew who he was based on what he did at Tulsa. I suspect everyone will look at Arizona State at some point this year and learn who Graham is and what kind of coach he is as well.
You are shaving the hair too closely. My point was that there is a stage in any successful coach's career where he moves from a journeyman to the big time--national championships, seven figure salaries, celebrity status. For both Nick and Les, that happened at LSU.
The problem is you said nothing that was akin to what red just said. Okie State and Michigan State offer the ability to reach the same plateau. I don't believe Okie State was invested in doing so until recently though they have had their share of conference titles. Michigan State has some history on its side and it's arguably easier to reach that plateau. They had a pretty solid run in the mid-60's.
So now you know what I was saying and what I meant. Man it must be nice to be a presumptuous know it all. Red put it nicely so you'd shut the hell up. The only difference is I accused you of not taking Saban's dick out of your mouth long enough to see the truth. If it makes you feel better Les Miles was just another nobody before LSU too.
But who have those schools launched into the top tier? It's not automatic. There has to be some symbiosis between coach and school. Archer, Hallman and Dinardo never had the chemistry, just like Dubose, Francione, Price, and Shula didn't.
Reading comprehension is my forte'. I know precisely what you've said. Retention of what you've said, within this very thread, doesn't appear to be your mètier.
This brings a thought: Take Mark Richt at UGA. Hypothetically, let's move him to another conference and another school. Does he have the same success? I'd say he'd be close at a school like Ohio State. Put him at Kansas State and he's .600 or worse.
