Demos to railroad health care bill through Congress

You are assuming something not in evidence. Do you know how Gallup conducted the surveys, what questions they asked and what criteria they chose? These polls are anonymous, you know. No pollster actually knows these people so they have no motive at all to deceive a poll based on "negative connotations", however dubious they might be.

The reason not many people call themselves liberals is because it is the smallest of the main ideologies. There just aren't that many of them. Conservatives fail to recognize that there have been an awful lot of moderate democrats since the Clinton days and that there are an awful lot of independent moderates also voting democratic.

They do to conservatives perhaps, but I don't think you can substantiate this claim universally. There are plenty of liberals quite proud of their status. There just aren't as many liberals as conservatives imagine because the right wingers paint with a too-broad brush and refuse to recognize moderates in their black and white world.

A lot of democrats are progressives that are to the right of the liberal arm of the party and some democrats are moderates to the right of the progressives. All are to the left of center, but most are far from extreme left. But FOX paints anybody left of center and any democrat as monolithic liberal socialist communists with only the attributes of the most extreme among them. But really, only the knee-jerk conservatives buy this notion.

 

What name? I said you were out in right field. Aren't you?

Never said that. Don't know what you are talking about. What I said was that moderates, having no middle party, vote for republicans or democrats and they shift from one to the other over time based on how moderate they perceive the policies to be.

Of course not. But there are only two major candidates, so to reject the repeublicans moderates must elect a democrat. It doesn't make them liberals by association, as you correctly point out. It means that the liberal party is more pragmatic and moderate than the conservative one at this point in time.

You are misinformed, once again. HERE is the Louisiana voter registration form.

You can choose your political party (Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green, Reform or Other ____________ )

Or you can chose NONE which means you are independent of ANY political party.

It's because you won't recognize a moderate position. Not my problem.

No, I don't advocate many extreme right nor extreme left positions. The moderate position is broad and its not always dead center.

I'm right of center on gun control, military spending, foreign policy, capitalism, nationalism, immigration, and a number of smaller issues. But not all-the-way right.

I'm left of center on social issues, a few economic issues, and religious issues. But not all-the-way left.

I don't consider environmentalism to be a liberal issue, there are many moderate and conservative environmentalists. I don't consider believing in science to be a liberal issue, either.

Like I give a chit. Why do you waste so much of your energy and my time on this silly-ass issue. You think I'm going to change my philosophy just because you fail to perceive a moderate position? You're dreaming.

I do so to counter your taunts of "liberal" so you'll see how silly it is.

I don't care either, buddy. Can you see that? Can you move on at long last?

I don't know why you have such a hard time accepting the shades of gray in this world. Not every issue is black or white.

 

No, it doesn't. You already posted "interpretations" of it. You said the Constitution specifically enumerated limits upon Congress.

e⋅nu⋅mer⋅ate  -verb
1. to mention separately as if in counting.
2. to ascertain the number of; count.

Well, I already posted the eneumerated Section 9 Constitutional limits upon Congress. None prohibit Congress from making a health law.

Previously I enumerated the provisions of Section 8 that authorized Congress to make such laws.

 

Do you understand how Congress works? Our elected representatives are doing their Constitutionally authorized jobs to make laws. If we don't like it, we vote them out of office. These guys just got elected to fix the things the last guys broke. If they make it worse, we vote them out again.

Wrong. The House and Senate bills are public records.

HR 3200

HR 3950

 

You're being perceptive again and you don't even realize it. Yes, this is a very conservative, neo-con-heavy, Bush-worshipping forum and my voice is seen coming from the left, but thats where the moderates are, too, and far-right perspective is too poor to perceive the difference.

I argue politics with my very liberal colleagues on campus and they think I'm a Nazi. Yeah, I Devils Advocate a bit and pull some chains, but mostly my positions are exactly the same, just argued to a different audience who both see it from different perspectives.

Ever hear the story of the three blind men and the elephant? Perspective is everything.

No, I range from +3 to -6.