Debt Ceiling Deadline - August 2nd

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Cherry pick your polls Red. That's what it takes to find something positive for your boy.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Rassmussen is the cherry-pick. I cited multiple polls. Dad cited a composite poll. If you can't say NO to something, you just grumble about it.
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Is Obama's approval rating going up?

    NO!
     
  4. joker

    joker Founding Member

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    Obama is the greatest President of all time and would not lose in a landslide if the election were held today.

    The National Debt is not up $3 Trillion since Obama was elected.

    I am a moderate independent.
     
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  5. Rwilliams

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    If no deal is made then the national media will do everything they can to blame it on the republicans. Obama and the reps had a deal last Sunday before polosi and Reid rejected it. Obama was forced by the far left to insist on tax raises again. Hanity and rush don't want the reps to make a deal and compromise. They say that the blame will be solely on Obama. If the reps don't strike some type of deal then blame for the economy falling apart will at the least be both dems and reps fault together. If a deal is made now then this pissy economy will be obama's baby and they couldn't be blamed for it. The democrats and Obama own this economy now and will in 2012 unless the republicans fail to strike a deal. If the republicans fail to get the limit raised then they will have a share in this failed economy. Obama is on the hook for his failure to convince business to hire and invest. Why let them off the hook and allow them to paint this economic failure as a republican failure in 2012. Maybe that's why they allowed debt talks to break down so that they could attempt to pass blame off on the republicans through the use of the democratically controled media. The right wing talk radio idiots will cause the republicans to have to share responsibility with Obama for his failed policies if they continue to push a no compromise stance. The debt can be raised without tax rate raises and with debt reduction. Loopholes can be closed.
     
  6. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Sounds just like someone that hangs around here a lot. just can't put my finger on it.
     
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  7. kluke

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    An important background to this is the 2011 budget which was supposed to be passed by 9/30/2010. Even with his party holding large majorities in both houses Obama could not get his budget passed. 7 continuing resolutions later a budget was passed 6 months too late. That's very poor leadership, and that's being kind.

    Obama lost all credibility on financial issues with all players on both sides during the budget battles. We are in a near crisis with an executive branch completely void of leadership and credibility. The Senate is being led by Hairless sack Harry, God help us. The house is 'led' by Boehner who doesn't have near the experience or moxie needed to herd the cats he has been stuck with. These are the people we are depending on to find a way to get something done.

    The punch line is that for the first time in any of these people’s political lives they have to exercise some form of financial discipline. Nobody in Washington can even spell it. At times like this what is needed is strong leadership. Which takes us back up to paragraph 1.
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    With good reason. Even FIXnews won't be able to hide it.

    It's the Tea Party, not the DJ's. The Tea Party is forcing traditional republicans away from the table and there is some growing resistance from McCain and Boehner and other old-timers. This crisis will either expose the Tea Party for single-issue destructive zealots and break them or it will reveal them as the new right-wing leadership and make them . . . in which case the GOP is further fractured.

    The Democrats have already conceded $Trillions. They have conceded tax increases. And still the Party of No can't say yes! Now they insist that this extremely unpopular debt ceiling crisis be carried out all over again in just 6 months. The democrats will concede no more. It will never get out of the Senate. The Tea Party will sink this and the GOP will be blamed by the public. . . with good reason.

    This entirely unnecessary crisis is dropping the market already and S&P may downgrade our credit rating anyway. Voters are worried about they SS checks and their 401k investments. And Boehner want to do this again at Christmas? That pig won't fly.
     
  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    You are so full of shyt your eyes are brown. The GOP keeps sending proposals to the senate and Harry Reid keeps telling them to shove it up their azzes. Obama threatens to veto anything sent to him. How in the fk can you claim the GOP is gumming up the works here?
     
  10. Rwilliams

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    They had a deal last Sunday. Now the president is out of the negotiations and the house and senate are going in diffrent directions. Repubs don't want to give Obama two trillion dollars without the cuts. Obama wants two trillion dollars with the promise of future cuts. Reps want the cuts up front and in writing not the promise of cuts that won't be anything but fancy bookkeeping. If we just went back to 2008 spending levels the cuts would be made. Obama has gone so far over 2008 levels that we can't even cut back to there.
     

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