Debt Ceiling Deadline - August 2nd

You are making up history again. :lol:

 

You have demonstrated time and time again that you understand nothing of principles.

It's a democracy, doofus. You don't get to decide what is bad legislation, we have to vote and let the representatives work it out. Impasses prevent discourse and prevent getting work done. Why would anyone but an anarchist advocate this?

Your "principles" are held by astonishingly few. Don't hold your breath.

What good, pray tell, is government that accomplishes nothing?

 

Wow.....
Shane: The sky is blue.
Red: You can't make up these things. The sky is blue.
Shane: Thanks for agreeing that the sky is blue.
Red: Who said the sky is blue?

 

You both miss the point. :huh:

Shane thought that republicans saying NO to everything was not being obstructionist. He suggested, in his cynical way, that democrats had done the same. In fact they did not.

The point, that you both missed, is that there is plenty of evidence of democratic cooperation with a Republican administration and zero evidence of Republican cooperation with a democratic one. The obstructionist party is evident.

 

Fair enough.

What they are obstructing is a plan to put the country even deeper in debt. It matters not one bit when it started or who was in charge when it did. Bush spent us into a huge hole? OK. Obama seems to think spending twice as much will get us out of the hole. The time has come to call the game. It won't be pleasant, and it won't win the president/congress who calls it any popularity contests. But it is necessary. If it isn't done now, our kids will have to do it. The tea partiers ran (and won) on this position and they're sticking to it.

Earlier you asked Martin what good is a government that does nothing. In this instance, nothing would be better than making a terrible situation worse.

 

Wait a minute! That's a misleading statement. Raising the Debt Ceiling is no such "plan". It has never been such a thing. Only congress can create more new spending, raising the debt limit does not do this. It allows us to pay the obligations that we already have. If we fail do do, so the US would be in default for the first time in history for no good reason.

This should have been an automatic vote like all of the others. The GOP is manufacturing a crisis that they hoped would make Obama look bad. But it may have backfired badly on them. Here is what Pew Research published two days ago.

Read that last paragraph again. Republicans not only have to contend with running a presidential campaign, they have to worry about hanging on to their lead in the House.