Syracuse: Average Star Ranking per recruiting class, Scout.com: 2002 -- 2.68 (#32 in Div 1A) -- Paul Pasqualoni 2003 -- 2.16 (#65 in Div 1A) -- Paul Pasqualoni 2004 -- 1.90 (#68 in Div 1A) -- Paul Pasqualoni 2005 -- 2.35 (#56 in Div 1A) -- Robinson's first season as head coach 2006 -- 2.41 (#50 in Div 1A) -- Robinson 2007 -- 2.42 (#53 in Div 1A) -- Robinson 2008 -- 2.42 (#61 in Div 1A) -- Robinson
Syracuse Overall Record:670-463-49 1959 National Champions 1987 undefeated regular season with Sugar Bowl Appearances 1996 Big East Champions 1997 Big East Champion Appeared in 11 Bowls from 1986-1999 Famous Football Players Jim Brown widely considered one of the all time greats Ernie Davis - Heisman Trophy Winner Floyd Little Larry Csonka Donovan McNabb Marvin Harrison Iowa State Overall Record 479-565-46 9 Bowl Appearances all time (never a New Year's Day Bowl) Highest ranking ever was 12th (in the middle of a season not at the end) Famous Football Players Troy Davis No college football person would agree that Iowa State and Syracuse are anywhere near the same in football history. It would be the same to suggest that Iowa State was a better program or the same as LSU by throwing out cumulative records from 1990 to 1999.
17-18 year old kids grew up watching Donovan McNabb and Marvin Harrison in the pros. Most football kids will know Jim Brown. Due to that movie coming out "The Express" they will know Ernie Davis. How did LSU ever convince 17-18 year old kids to come to LSU after 1999. LSU had 8 losing seasons in 11 years. Like I commented earlier, the right coach can turn it around because they have some history to say look we can get back to this success if you come to our school.
john may be suggesting that chizik has proven to be a top-flight DC yet suck as a HC. therefore robinson's record as HC is irrelevant to the DC discussion. Im pretty convinced that john may be, in fact, a stat bot set up by brett to keep the forum going. So, Im sure it will respond in numbers and stats but not likely in complete sentences or discussion.
Let's put it this way: Syracuse football is so irrelevant that nobody has bothered to even create a Syracuse Football page on wikipedia. They just talk about their football program on their general athletic page, with some debate whether the little bit of writing there about Syracuse Football should "be split into a new article." (LINK) Football programs that generate interest like Iowa State and LSU have their own wikipedia pages devoted solely to bragging about their football programs: LSU -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSU_Tigers_football Iowa State -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_State_Cyclones_football
I just don't see any consistency in Greg Robinson's "numbers" as a DC to be impressed. Maybe I am jaded by the KC Cheifs team - that defense was so terrible that he was forced out mid season. Those defenses were absolutely horrible. They prevented the Cheifs from making playoffs because the KC offense was pretty explosive at the time.
Easy. We have Tiger Stadium, which Syracuse can't compete with. Also, the South, and especially Louisiana, has a large % of blacks, which the state of New York doesn't have. Also, LSU had Dinardo, who gave us three great years from 1995 to 1997, including an upset of #1 Florida that made the cover of Sports Illustrated. What in the hell did Syracuse do in the last 10 years? From another thread we have going on here regarding the greatest LSU sports figures in history, coaches or athletes, look how many got picked from the 90s: And nobody even mentioned All-American TE David LaFleur, First Round Draft Pick.
All it takes is one fan to create a wikipedia page, not a good argument. I found all that information on the Syracuse web page you just didn't look hard enough. I say we end this discussion about Syracuse/Iowa State football on the LSU forum.
