CPAC Presidential Straw Poll

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  1. spikke

    spikke Veteran Member

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    Paul is very coy and employs slippery locutions when it comes to 9/11; similar to the way that Obama denied any involvement with ACORN with a straight face. Of course, his motivations may have been to pander to the Truthers for political support. In any event, he is indisputably a blame America first moron and a self-loathing kook.

    Nevertheless, his contention that the CIA’s ouster of Mossadegh led to 9/11 is absurd and a testament to his overall ignorance. When Carter pulled the Persian rug out from under the terminally ill Shah of Iran in 1979, because like Paul, Carter also suffered from the disease of self-loathing, had Mossadegh still been alive, he would have been one of the first victims executed by the Khomeiniest regime, because Mossadegh was secular and not a Muslim, and there is no way in hell that the Islamic world will ever go to war over the overthrow of a kafir infidel, and I don’t care what that kook Paul says.

    Nevertheless, AQ didn’t attack ups because of Mossadegh or anything else we did or may have done for that matter. They attacked us because they are obligated by their holy Koran, the Hadith, and the Sira to subjugate the world. Don’t believe me, then do yourself a favor and read The Al Qaeda Reader by Raymond Ibrahim, which illustrates the striking differences between statements published in English for Westerners and those in Arabic for Muslims. Al-Qaeda's publications for the Muslim world are completely different in tone and content.

    “Al-Qaeda stresses Islam's compulsory demand for "offensive jihad," that is, not because Islam is "under attack," as they claim in messages to the West, but simply to offer the world the three sacred choices: accept Islam, live in total submission to Islamic overlords as marginal citizens of an Islamic state, or die.”

    Raymond Ibrahim - The Al Qaeda Reader**



    Paul is also an anti-Semitic bigot and racist and deserves to be ostracized and confined to the margins and fringes of society. Moreover, if most intelligent people didn’t recognize that Paul is a kook, unlike Paul’s kook brigade, there is nothing the Republican Party or anyone else for that matter could do to stop Paul’s rise. The only reason Paul remains on the fringes of society where he belongs is because thankfully most Americans recognize he is a self-loathing kook.



    Actually, most conservatives agree with Paul when it comes to the Fed, less and smaller government, and fiscal conservatism. However, when it comes to everything else, they recognize that he is a self-hating kook and a very dangerous one at that.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    so your opinion that he is a truther is based on nothing.

    look, nobody, and i mean nobody on earth likes to hate truthers more than i do. i just have no reason to believe paul has anything to do with them.


    seems unlikely that paul is any more of a racist than anyone else.
     
  3. spikke

    spikke Veteran Member

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    At the same time that Paul makes denials, he nonetheless also panders to them. He is every bit as evasive and slippery as Obama was with respect to ACORN. Anyway Paul’s pandering to the Truthers is clearly hitting a nerve with you guys. I must remember that.

    Racist writing in which I’m not going to look up again because it would be like beating a dead horse came from his newsletter and the fact that he is anti-Semitic is unequivocal.

    In fact, one of Paul’s favorite tactics is to create imagery demons to vilify and demonize that he then tears down like a strawman with great effect. A few of his favorites are those evil international bankers and greedy corporatists. And, of course, like a nihilist, he hates any kind of American interventions because he believes they are motivated by imperialism and capitalist greed. Thus, the WOT is for oil. Oh yeah…another of his favorite demons is the vaunted Military-Industrial Complex. Ooh…that one sound really evil, whatever it is. The guy is literally an insane paranoid kook and thankfully most people recognize it and can see through his lame bull****.
     
  4. flabengal

    flabengal Founding Member

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    I think Andrew Jackson, Henry Ford and Woodrow Wilson all referred to a "money power" that was in danger of influencing America to its own detriment.

    And Eisenhower talked about the military-industrial complex....

    looks like we got a lot of kooks mixed in with some great Americans....hard to tell the difference....maybe the problem lies with the people who like to call someone else a kook because they can't address the point at hand in a valid fashion.
     
  5. martin

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    so your evidence for him being a truther consists of him being asked if he is a truther and him denying it. nice.

    are you a truther? no? ok then you are as well.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    We? The Bali nightclub bombings were committed in Indonesia by Indonesians and was an matter for the Indonesian government to prosecute. They did so and the perpetrators were caught, tried, convicted, and executed. Bush did the right thing not to interfere.

    The perpetrators of the first WTC bombing were caught, tried, convicted, and are serving life sentences in federal SuperMax prisons. Clinton did the right things to make that happen.

    Bush did drop the ball on the USS Cole bombing, for which there was no response and no perpetrators convicted, but it should be noted that the investigation took months before it led conclusively to Al Qaeda. And the Yemen government had 13 suspects in custody, all of whom escaped later in a jail break. By then we already were pursuing Al Qaeda for 9/11.
     
  7. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    You miss the point completely. We knew who was behind all of this, what their objectives were, and who they were targeting.

    It goes back the empire argument. Whether we like it or not, we have been a de facto empire since the wall fell. We have chosen to treat that like it was not the case. And we are paying the price. Everything you stated above showed WEAKNESS, not stregnth, and was rewarded with increased terrorist activity.

    We've "enlightened" our way right out of understanding of human nature and how power really works. Some folks actually believe (even after 9/11) that soft power actually exists and works. There's no such thing as soft power. You either bend folks to your will (through attraction, coercion, or force) or you don't. And if you're not willing to use all forms of power, then no form of power is going to work because the other side will see through your BS and resist.

    I blame ivory tower obsession with the Europeans and the UN. We've let grandpa convince us how to run our business. Predictably - grandpa's perspective is not conducive to building a future. It's conducive to protecting the image of a past...
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not instantly, we didn't. It took lengthy investigations in every case to uncover the perpetrators and the plot. Al Qaeda is not our only enemy. Iraq, Iran, the Palestinians, and other unrelated extremist groups were all suspected.

    There is an important difference between a superpower and an empire. Empires seek to control the globe. Superpowers seek to control their global vital interests in an international world.

    You exaggerate. What could we have done to combat terrorism that has not been done? Be specific.
     
  9. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    but he is funny.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    i don't know, i agree with alot of what he has to say. And he is funny, you are right about that.
     

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