They are not required to be religious but you sure as hell want to make sure that they follow your religious rules. I understand what you are saying. I am arguing that what you are doing is legally and morally wrong. As I have stated before, Churches can be excluded because church employees are usually ministers who adhere to the teachings of the church regardless. Universities and Hospitals might be funded by the Catholic church but they are secular institutions. If you don't believe me ask a Theoretical Physicist from Notre Dame or Boston College if they teach creationism. Universities and Hospitals have multitudes of employees who are completely unaffiliated with the church and, therefore, should not be subjected the church doctrine. You do realize that we are having a discussion about whether the Catholic church should be allowed to limit access to contraceptives, right? By refusing to make it part of their health care coverage they are limiting access. If a person has an existing, comprehensive insurance plan that excludes coverage of contraceptives , their access to contraceptives has been limited. Part of the role of government is to ensure that everyone gets fair treatment under the law. The government is protecting the first amendment rights of these "scoundrels," as you like to call them. I understand how doctrine is formed just fine, it isn't rocket science. My friend, the Church has been arbitrarily calling things "evil" for the past few thousand years or so. Then explain how the Catholic church is proposing to do just that? By not allowing employees of hospitals and churches access to an important part of health care coverage they are imposing their views on society. You were applying sound reason to subject matter that couldn't be more unreasonable. Trying to apply reason to the Catholic church is akin to insanity. I was actually trying to joke with you about southerntgr.....
No they aren't. Employees in Catholic institutions come from all walks of life. They are not required to live their lives under religious rules. No they aren't. See their mission statements. The Catholic Church doesn't teach creationism as per genesis. The Church is cool with evolution, and it was a priest who proposed the Big Bang Theory. Sorry chief, I don't equate not paying for contraceptives as being subjected to Church doctrines. That is a comp matter. If the employees don't like the health plan, they should work somewhere else. Yes they are limited in the exact same sense that they can't walk into Mcdonalds and order a cheese pizza. How are they being treated unfairly? They are freely accepting the job with the compensation package that does not cover contraception. They could freely reject it. Not arbitrarily. Always in the context of existing teaching. You know what I hate. My employer doesn't pay me as much as I think I'm worth. Should I get another job or should I get the government to beat up on my employer until they pay what I say I am worth? I am a raging Cathaholic. I can't live without my Cathahol. red wants to know if I understand what sarchasm is.
AHA!!! A breakthrough! Admittance is the very first step toward recovery, my friend. LOL.... It is obvious that we are not going to agree and, honestly, with March Madness in full force I am having a hard time remaining committed to this spirited back and forth. With that being said, I will graciously admit that you are passionate about your beliefs and whether I can appreciate them or not, I can respect the fact that you do. I still do not. For the record I have nothing against Catholics or the Catholic church.....some of their practices, yes....but the same is true of just about any organization that large, religious or not.
+1000 for Okie. I don't think I laughed so hard on one thread in my life between Tiga thinking he knows periods, Martin being a queen (which might be true) and Tiga thinking tiger in NC is my brother.
:lol: It is kind of like using the word "right" when you are talking. Conversation: That was an awesome game. I know, right?
As it has existed, that is the case. But under the new Health Law, insurers would have to provide contraception to everybody. Just because a university or hospital is owned by the Church doesn't mean they can demand exceptions to the rules insurers must offer. No, it would be like saying that McDonalds refuses to let Borden pasteurize McDonald's milk because all bacteria is sacred. Slippery slope. So all any organization has to do to avoid adhering to federal regulations is name it incompatible with their mission? Not a chance. And they wish to impose these beliefs on many people who do not hold life to be sacred at all. Not at all. The Nazi party imposed its views on German society to the extent that they were able to take over the government. The Catholic Church has been executing people for heresy for two millennia in a successful attempt to impose its views on European society. Rupert Murdoch's empire is successfully imposing its views on international society. Lots of examples.
you worthless ****ing ****s can **** yourselves. you act like a bunch of mother****ing *******. translation, try to control the insults, mods.
