Contraception....

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    You can't seperate the two. Look at the mission statement of any Catholic school or hospital, and you will note that they exist to provide care in concert with Church teaching.

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    Our Lady of the Lake:
    Inspired by the vision of St. Francis of Assisi and in the tradition of the Roman Catholic Church, we extend the healing ministry of Jesus Christ to God's people, especially those most in need.

    Catholic High
    The mission of Catholic High School is to teach Gospel values in an environment of academic excellence according to Catholic tradition and the spirit of the Brothers of the Sacred Heart.

    Boston College:
    The mission of Boston College is rooted in this dynamic integrity of the academic and the religious, a coherence of the divine and the human that reaches its fullest expression in Jesus Christ and extends to all forms of human culture and knowledge.

    Gonzaga:
    Gonzaga University belongs to a long and distinguished tradition of humanistic, Catholic, and Jesuit education. We, the trustees and regents, faculty, administration and staff of Gonzaga, are committed to preserving and developing that tradition and communicating it to our students and alumni. As humanistic, we recognize the essential role of human creativity, intelligence, and initiative in the construction of society and culture. As Catholic, we affirm the heritage which has developed through two thousand years of Christian living, theological reflection, and authentic interpretation. As Jesuit, we are inspired by the vision of Christ at work in the world, transforming it by His love, and calling men and women to work with Him in loving service of the human community.


    And again, why would someone who wants contraceptives freely choose to work where the health plan doesn't cover them?
     
  2. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Public sector has nothing to do with it.

    An employer has the right to celebrate any holiday in the office they choose, except for the Fed, or any state/local government facility. They also have a right to practice their religious faith on their property, which can include a school, or business.



    As an employer, you have the right to decide on what principles you want YOUR organization run.
     
  3. southerntgr

    southerntgr Veteran Member

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    I can easily seperate the two. In case you missed the memo my brother is a priest. I happen to know the real deal about the Catholic church. Do you really know what taking a vow of poverity means? It is not what you think. My brother voted for Obama. The catholic church made him go to confession for voting for Obama. True story.

    Maybe, just maybe someone would freely choose to work for a Catholic organization (let us say Our Lady or the Lake) because they have been working there 10 plus years have senority, climbing up the cooperate ladder, developed relationships with the people they worked with over the years, etc, etc and if they go find another job they have to start all over again.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This is not about holidays.

    And the government has a right to decide on what standards that universities and hospitals must adhere to if they wish to accept government contracts or government-sponsored heath insurance. Religious owners of these public facilities do not get special treatment under the law.
     
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    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    What government contract does the church have with the government?
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    What if it's birth control to regulate hormones, and not really to prevent getting pregnant?
     
  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I'm sorry but that is hilarious. I have to share that with some friends of mine. Not trying to poke fun or anything, but it's one of those, it's so pathetic my only reaction is to laugh kind of thing.
     
  8. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    None of this matters. If the church is allowed to claim that universities and hospitals are exempted, then what is next? Let's face it, not every employee of the hospitals and universities that you mentioned are good little practicing Catholics. I will go one step further and say that there is a high liklihood that there are staff members of both the hospital and university who engage in premarital sex and who likely use some form of contraception during intercourse.

    This is just an attempt by the Catholic church to cram their dogma's down people's throats. You want the churches to be exempted? Fair enough, you got it. But claiming that the same is applicable for universities and hospitals is a stretch. Further I would guess that you would have a hard time staffing either a university or hospital with people who are willing to forego aspects of their health care coverage because the Catholic church wants it that way. How many Nun nurses do you know of?
     
  9. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Church run hospitals accept medicare and medicaid don't they?
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I guarantee you that universities owned by the Church get federal research grants & contracts, student financial aid, and federal dollars through a number of channels.
     

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