College Football's Best Coordinator Duos in 2014

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  1. TwistedTiger

    TwistedTiger Founding Member

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    I'm not saying the penalties are similar, I'm saying the crimes are. Miami got lighter punishment because the NCAA broke the rules during the investigation and had to tuck their tails and run.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    You have cum the side of your mouth.
     
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  3. TerryP

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    You're right. You've not said anything in this thread about Kiffin and Tennessee. In fact, I don't recall you having any comment in other threads when I've mentioned their results in 2009.

    There's two narratives running about Mett. It appears which one is told is completely dependent on the situation. That's what I'm attempting to point out.

    As example, there's been a lot of criticism voiced about how the quarterback position was handled in 2011. That was followed by a lot of hope and praise put on Mett in the off-season prior to the 2012 season—to the point of seeing "Mettsiah" of all things.

    That hope wasn't misplaced or ill-informed. After all, Mett came out of JUCO with a 10 to 1 TD to INT ratio. His recruitment from Butler was something I followed. I know what he was bringing to the field.

    Based on statistical measures he digressed in his first season at the QB position in Baton Rouge. His total yardage remained the same, his decision making wasn't as sharp if you look at that TD to INT ratio again. (What was it, 12 to 7, 12 to 8? Something like that...)

    We did see improvement in 2013. More yards passing, more TD's. We also saw a better offensive line in 2013 and a better WR corps. Both factors have to be taken into account as well as his maturity and his coaching (from Cam.)

    I see "he wasn't good enough to win the position." I also see criticism of the decisions made with the position of QB coach and offensive coordinator. Those two are in direct conflict with each other.

    You're right, he didn't get the nod at UGA. We know why.

    Mett signed in December of 2010, sat in 2011 except for some limited action, and started in 2012 and 2013, right? Where is the second of the two years you're referring to with the comment about him being on the bench for two years?

    As to changed everything about Mett? The numbers and results don't reflect that. As cited, the talent was there when he came in...
     
  4. TerryP

    TerryP Founding Member

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    There was a reason for that emoticon, tiga.

    It's a two way street, ya know? If one takes Kiffin as HC at Oakland and uses that as reason supporting their arguments against him as an offensive coordinator doesn't Cam's role as a HC deserve mentioning as well? Fact is, both guys in the roles as HC in the NFL have little bearing on how they did as offensive coordinators (or in Kiffin's case will do.)

    There's sufficient reason to discount success as a coordinator at the NFL level and translate that to the college game. For every case of a guy like Cam, you have a guy like Weis. The opposite is true as well. Look at Norm Chow's results at USC then compare them to the Tennessee Titans.

    Going back to earlier in this thread. I don't disagree there's reason to wonder and question about the ranking because he hasn't done anything in Tuscaloosa. There's more than sufficient reason to look at someone like Loeffler and say "that's well off the mark."
     
  5. TerryP

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    How much of what happened with the basketball team at USC bled over to the football sanctions?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Mettenberger threw for 32 TD passes in JC and just 12 in the SEC. You are comparing Junior college stats with the SEC, which is irrelevant to the discussion of his improvement under Cameron. He passed for 2,609 yards and 12 TDs in 2012. He passed for 3,082 yards and 22 touchdowns and just eight interceptions in 2013, despite directing a power running offense that set a school record for rushing TDs (37).

    Those linemen and receivers were there in 2012, Cameron was not. We're talking about the QB, understand? His confidence, his reading of defenses, his timing with receivers, his footwork, and his poise all changed when Cameron came aboard. If you did not see this, then you were not paying attention.

    Bullshit. They are not mutually exclusive, not even close. The previous OC/QB coaches failed to turn Mettenberger into an SEC-caliber quarterback. Cameron did so.

    Yep.

    OK, he was on the bench for a year and a half.

    If you can't see that Cameron was the difference between Mett in 2012 and Mett in 2013 . . . then you can't see. The stats are clear about that. Since I know that you can see, you are just being obstinate and can't admit an error. Take off the crimson shades, mon ami.
     
  7. LSUDad

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    I know this two way street. How good is Gary Kubiak? How good of a Head Coach, how good is he at being an OC? In coaching, you have to have help from a staff, and the higher ups. Too much goes in to success.
    Looks at what Jimbo Fisher has done at Fla St.
    Look at what Mike Heywood did as a Head Coach at Miami of Ohio, he took a bunch of former LSU Asst coaches and went 1-11 the first year then 10-4 the second. Last time I saw him he was out of coaching. Had the HC job at Pitt, only to be let go weeks later.

    Too much goes into being a OC, DC or Head Coach.
     
  8. tzanghi

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    LOL. It slipped my mind and I also didn't feel like typing anymore about Lane Kiffin after I got done with his USC stint.
     
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  10. TerryP

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    I'm not sure where you're getting your impressions from with Tennessee considering he was there one year.

    Just as a few notes to consider about UT.

    Yards per game (average) when he took over increased by almost 120 per game. UT finished next to last in total offense for the 2008 season, finished sixth in 2009. If you want to take out OOC games and simply go with conference play the story remains the same.

    Scoring offense went from averaging 17 points per game to 30. In conference play it was 29.

    Passing offense ranked third in the SEC in 2009; 11th in 2008.

    There's not a team in the conference I love winning against more than Tennessee. When he was at the helm there, beating them was all the more sweeter. As I've stated, his brash attitude, braggadocious demeanor, and incessant "smack talk" grated my last nerve.

    However, his results I couldn't argue against.

    I'm curious. Why do you choose 2012 but ignore 2011? There were discussions on this very forum about three teams around this same time in 2012—Alabama, LSU, and USC. All three were receiving about the same recognition, nation wide, about how they'd do that season. Almost to a man (or lady) the USC ranking was questioned with a major point each time—the sanctions are going to affect the depth and their preseason ranking wasn't telling that story.

    That's followed by numbers from 2013 where the story of numbers, in this case scholarship numbers, were even greater. I'd imagine we'd agree on Stanford having the best defense that season—or at least one of the best of that conference. USC gave them a good run for their money losing be seven. 51 against Oregon in a losing effort that season does demonstrate and offense that could be productive.

    Your 2+2=4 is a simple, elementary math analogy. When judging how he'll do as an offensive coordinator in 2014 is a question left unanswered. For that very reason I've no disagreement in questioning the duo's ranking.

    To ignore what he has accomplished, based on what can be easily found, I do believe there's reason to pause before making blanket statements about how he'll do.

    A more difficult question to answer is what would he have to do to be considered a success this fall. The bar has been set pretty high over the last few years in a lot of statistical categories. I posed it here and ran into a myriad of responses—some reasonable, some not.
     

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