Cold facts: Not Les's fault

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  1. acemic

    acemic Founding Member

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    I have a question about this yes it is his responsibility, but at those other levels you really dont have an OC or DC. Yes in High School you might but its a thin stretch. But this is college where each position is getting more and more specialize. Is Les responsible absolutely he is, but is the LSU administration Not letting him replace the OC for money reasons or he keeps him his self. All I know is I have had enough of the wizard. That is where the real change begins if it is needed higher that can be discussed later.
     
  2. KingEmeritus

    KingEmeritus ofthePoint

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    Yes, Les Miles can't evaluate QB talent.
     
  3. mach316

    mach316 Founding Member

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    If LSU were a corporation and Les is the CEO, how well do you think this business would be doing? It all falls on the CEO/coach. :miles:
     
  4. roynav

    roynav free your mind

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    He's responsible in a "the buck stops here" way. Just like the President is responsible if the economy sucks or if a federal agency mismanages the response to a hurricane.

    And nothing else? Come on! When did LSU "continually underperform." I must have missed that. Was it 2008 with the deer in the headlight freshmen QBs? Was it 2009 with a pitiful running game, terrible OL and underwhelming QB? Is it this year, 5-0 and 10th in the nation with pitiful QBing?

    I asked for specific examples instead of the "everything falls on the HC" generic response. Tell me which drive ending mistake was Les's fault?
    Which interception was Les's fault? How was the intentional grounding Les's fault? Please explain. Or Murphy's bobble? How about Peterson reaching out for xtra yardage and fumbling? How should Les have prevented that?

    Ah, so the terrible QBing IS Les's fault. JL didnt have confidence in Les in 2008, so he threw picks. JJ last night was throwing picks because he doesnt have confidence in Les. I get it.
     
  5. ozarkbengal

    ozarkbengal Founding Member

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    Isnt the CEO responsible for replacing underperforming members of the "team". If Les is making those decisions at the goal line, then yes, the CEO is the one. If not, he needs take responsibilty for his "team" and replace who did. Not saying fire Crowton, but, some change needs to be made.
     
  6. roynav

    roynav free your mind

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    If this was a corporation I would fire the CFO (QB) and spend whatever is necessary to bring in a star with experience (Peyton Manning). Unfortunately Les can't buy players.
     
  7. roynav

    roynav free your mind

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    Absolutely. He's LSU's best hope and ONLY chance at winning a BCS game. I loved his initial enthusiasm when he came into the game for the first time and was slinging it all over the place and laughing in the huddle. Now if he can learn to avoid the stupid plays LSU might be in business.
     
  8. bisonroo

    bisonroo Freshman

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    Very well said. I hadn't looked at it from that perspective, but it makes sense.

    :LSU231:
     
  9. Ahab the Arab

    Ahab the Arab Veteran Member

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    Why isn’t this a reflection of the coaching staff? Miles said the other day that he has worked in the past with far less talented QBs and had far more success, and this is the third year in a row of having a very dysfunctional offense.


    It’s Crowton’s fault as he has screwed up the QBs before he got here at BYU and Oregon with his spread option read offense, and now he has done it over here too. However, it is Miles’ fault because he hired that loser and then when he had a chance to get rid of him last season he didn’t. Not to mention that everything good or bad is Miles’s fault because he is the head coach and he is responsible for everything. By the way, both Beck at BYU and Dixon at Oregon improved dramatically the year after Crowton left. Not to mention that if it was a lack of talent, it nevertheless would be Miles' fault, but Miles himself admits that isn't the problem.


    Not really, last week it was the dropped passes and untimely penalties in the first half and early in the second half that destroyed the rhythm of the offense. In other words, there are a lot of other problems wrong with this offense as well, and it is not just the QBs. This year’s offense has been nothing but a comedy of errors and it is a reflection of the coaching staff.

    While I’m glad he had a good game, please excuse me if I don’t believe all the problems with the offense are fixed. I know a lot of you guys are happy about JL’s play in yesterday’s game, but without JJ’s play also we never would have won that game. In any event, like JJ’s first game of the season where he was 15 of 21 with 2 touchdowns, JL’s first significant game of the season was pretty good as he hit 16 of 23 with 0 touchdowns. However, on the drive where we got the field goal, the pass to RS in the end zone right before the field goal was right in the defender’s hands and we got extremely lucky that ball wasn’t intercepted. Then, on the next drive, we weren’t so lucky, as JL's pass to SR was intercepted in the end zone. He also made another critical mistake in letting the time run out also. In other words, JL came within a hair of costing us that game because of his mistakes. Nevertheless, he regrouped and like JJ did in the NC game JL hit RR on a nice long pass.


    Nonsense. He’s the head coach and ultimately he is responsible for everything.

    Nonsense. He’s the head coach and ultimately he is responsible for everything.

    Nonsense. He’s the head coach and ultimately he is responsible for everything.

    Nonsense. He’s the head coach and ultimately he is responsible for everything.

    Nonsense. He’s the head coach and ultimately he is responsible for everything. In any event, thank God T-Bob snapped it even though JJ wasn’t ready for it because time would have run out and we would have lost the game. T-Bob said he never snapped the ball against Ole Miss last year, which is the reason we lost that game last year and he wasn't going to let that happen again this year. It's a good thing he snapped the ball or we would have lost the game.


    Which is very typical of LSU’s offenses going on 3 years in a row, and the offense and the team are a reflection of the coaching staff. If your coaching staff is sloppy and undisciplined and practices in that way, your team will be sloppy and undisciplined in the games, and that is exactly the product we have been putting on the field ever since Miles arrived here.

    I’m not arguing the decision-making, just the execution. There are a ton of things that the coaching staff could have done to avoid the situation and again this coaching staff has demonstrated that it is less competent than a junior varsity coaching staff in that regard.

    COLD HARD FACT: In 2007 Miles made Crowton keep Fisher’s offense with the exception of the pistol package and an option read passing package because it wouldn’t have been fair to Flynn who had spent the previous 4 season in Fisher’s offense.

    To the contrary most OCs in the country would eagerly donate their left nuts to medical science just to have half the talent LSU has to work with, and the real reason our QBs and offenses have been so dysfunctional going on 3 years in a row now is because of Gary Crowton who was hired by Less Miles.


    Sorry, but that is really about as lame as it gets. Any competent coaching staff would have easily handled the situation as similar situations are handled without problems every week throughout the country, which is why LSU’s meltdown is so newsworthy. This coaching staff keeps stumbling into victories despite its own incompetence.

    Again, this team is an exact carbon copy and reflection of the coaching staff. Practice sloppy and undisciplined, and play sloppy and undisciplined.
     
  10. shere khan

    shere khan Founding Member

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    While we're at it; other things that are Les's fault: great Defense, great special teams, continuous top 10 recruiting classes, program without NCAA violations, program without constant athlete arrests,..... there's more, but you get the point. And yes, I'm a proud Les support (have been since day one).

    Face it, this program has only one huge problem.......(wait for it) OFFENSE. To be more precise QB and Coordination. When recievers press, they drop balls. When backs try to get "that extra yard" or "home run" they normally fumble. When linemen try to do it themselves and not play as a unit they get penalties. A good QB and coordinator eliviates the pressure for the latter to happen. Bottom line, neither QB has the talent and/or the ability to help this team. The best we can hope for is that they don't hurt us; for example turnovers, over/underthrown balls or dumb penalties. Instead of a wizard, I'd settle for a professor. Our QB's aren't getting better and our play calling is High School.

    So, is it Les's fault? YES!!!!! There I said it. Does that mean I want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? NO. Should Les be fired? With all the success that we've had in other places other than offense, NO. I want him to get a coordinator that can recruit/coach QB's and keep the rest.

    Good Day and Geaux Tiger!!!
    :milesmic:
     
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