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Can't Follow the Logic of Carr's Timing

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The Michigan AD knew at the beginning of the season that Carr was planning to retire (see 1st link below). And the AD admits to "doing certain things" regarding a coaching search throughout this season.

Carr retires on Monday and says that to have done it after a Michigan bowl game "would have been absolutely ridiculous" (2nd link). His timing was "based on one thing: what's best for Michigan." In other words, Carr (and presumably the AD) sees Michigan hiring a new coach ASAP, before Michigan's bowl game.

Yet the AD says that he will not contact any coaches whose teams have games remaining (1st link).

But that makes no sense (or is a lie) unless the AD plans to go after (1) a losing, non-bowl-bound coach whose regular season is already over or is soon to end or (2) a retired coach or (3) a fired coach.

Otherwise Carr could have waited till after Michigan's bowl game to announce his retirement.

Something doesn't add up. :huh:

http://blog.mlive.com/wolverines_stories/2007/11/head_coach_search_immediately.html

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071119/SPORTS06/71119022/1123/SPORTS02

TC, Nov 20, 2007

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TC said: ↑

Yet the AD says that he will not contact any coaches whose teams have games remaining (1st link).

But that makes no sense (or is a lie) unless the AD plans to go after (1) a losing, non-bowl-bound coach whose regular season is already over or is soon to end or (2) a retired coach or (3) a fired coach.

Otherwise Carr could have waited till after Michigan's bowl game to announce his retirement.

Something doesn't add up. :huh:

http://blog.mlive.com/wolverines_stories/2007/11/head_coach_search_immediately.html

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071119/SPORTS06/71119022/1123/SPORTS02
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Or 4/ Someone in-house.

LSUTiga, Nov 20, 2007

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islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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I thought we were banning people who started Miles to Michigan threads until Michigan hired their next head coach?

My idea was genius, what the phuck happened?

islstl, Nov 20, 2007

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islstl said: ↑

I thought we were banning people who started Miles to Michigan threads until Michigan hired their next head coach?

My idea was genius, what the phuck happened?
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I say for every Miles/Mich thread started, start a "fire the coach" thread. Sorry SF, no disrespect intended. :hihi:

DownOnTheBayou, Nov 20, 2007

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islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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I say for every Miles/Mich thread started, start a "fire the coach" thread. Sorry SF, no disrespect intended. :hihi:
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I think we all know I corner the market on those.

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I think we all know I corner the market on those.
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I recommend Phat Phulmer for your next one. That will be funny!

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I recommend Phat Phulmer for your next one. That will be funny!
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He's hangin on by a thread (awesome pun, don't ya think?), but Kentucky has these huge ass scissors waiting fo dat ass on Saturday.

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Or (5) they hoped it would be enough of a distraction to cause LSU to lose a game- thus expediting Miles to Michigan.

NELA_Tigerfan, Nov 20, 2007

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TC said: ↑

Yet the AD says that he will not contact any coaches whose teams have games remaining (1st link).
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"You want to see if they've had DUI's, or they're a deadbeat paying their bills or if there's anything that could be a pattern that would embarrass Michigan," Martin said.

Guess they won't be talking to O the Coach...Iowa going bowling this year?

marcmc99, Nov 20, 2007

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Or 4/ Someone in-house.
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THATS WHAT IM AFRAID OF. i could stand English on a 1 year interim job and see how he does, but Debord?....NO THANKS

Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News

ANN ARBOR -- As far as Mike DeBord and Ron English are concerned, Michigan's next head coach is on staff.

Both men, currently coordinators at Michigan, are expected to be interviewed by athletic director Bill Martin to fill the vacancy left by Lloyd Carr, who announced his retirement on Monday after 13 seasons as head coach.

The widely held view is LSU coach Les Miles, a former Michigan player and assistant coach, is the top candidate, but Martin made clear he intends to make this a national search.
DeBord, 51, the offensive coordinator, is in his 11th season with the Wolverines. English, 39, the defensive coordinator, is in his fifth season.

"I believe what Lloyd said (during his retirement speech), that the job pursues you," DeBord said. "If they ask me to interview, I'd be honored to go about that process."

DeBord said he has been told through an athletic department representative he will be interviewed. English said he wants to be included as a candidate.

"I want to interview," English said. "I would certainly want the job and I will attack the interview."

DeBord spent four seasons as head coach at Central Michigan. English has not been a head coach.

"Bill's been on the sideline, he's had a chance to watch me work," English said of Martin. "He's going to be attracted to that (demeanor), or he's not. It's very aggressive.

"I do think whoever gets the job, the one thing I would hope is that even if I'm not here, I hope he respects the lineage here and the tradition here, or else it becomes like any other place. Then, to be frank, it's not as attractive a job. It becomes one thing -- all about winning games. That's what I loved working for Lloyd. The great thing of my time here, I got the experience of the real Michigan."

DeBord said he will convince Martin he's the right hire.

"When you go into an interview for something you really want, you have to go with your gun loaded, and I'm going to have my gun loaded," DeBord said. "I would love to continue what's been here for so long. I'd like to be head coach to have the continuity for the players and the coaches. I would keep the staff intact."

DeBord is aware he will have to defend himself on several issues. While at CMU, his teams went 12-34. Three years later, Brian Kelly, now head coach at Cincinnati, led Central to the Mid-American Conference championship.

"The way I defend that is, I will say this: We went in there, we put a culture together just like Michigan, we were, it's nothing against the kids, but we weren't as talented as we wanted to be," DeBord said. "When they won the championship, those were with sophomores, juniors and seniors that our staff had recruited. We had taken a program that was at the bottom of the conference, and we elevated it recruiting-wise to go win the conference championship.

"I know what the record is, but I also do know where we started and what ended up happening and what is still happening."

He also knows the Michigan offense has its critics. The Wolverines are coming off a 14-3 loss to Ohio State last Saturday.
"Our last game last season (against Ohio State), we were playing for the national championship game, and the last game this year, we were playing for the Big Ten title," DeBord said. "I know we came up short, and even though people are disappointed, and we were disappointed, let's look at what we were playing for."

English said if he were to get the job, he would be prepared for the pressures of being head coach at Michigan.

"If you're in coaching, everybody should want to be a head coach, because you want to be able to influence a program," he said. "I like the fact that at Michigan, academics are still important and the way the kids act is still important. I think it's better to be at a place where the expectations are high."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071121/SPORTS0201/711210388/1004/SPORTS
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MaizeandBlue, Nov 21, 2007

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