Calling Out the Haters

Discussion in 'The Tiger's Den' started by Bandit88, Sep 26, 2010.

  1. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    ditto.

    the offense is a cluster phuck. but there are some positive things and i am not gonna overlook that. at this point our d has won games. but, unfortunately, i also believe that the offense is going to lose games.

    i see the bad. im not blind. but i also choose to see the good because i want to believe in my team. simple as that.

    however, in the terms of glass half empty/full.... ive been wanting to throw the glass against the wall in frustration.
     
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  2. LEGACY TIGER

    LEGACY TIGER Defy Yourself

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    This:huh: is the only way to describe the way we all feel.
     
  3. LSU_4_LIFE

    LSU_4_LIFE Founding Member

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    Good Post, Needed the boost.

    But I am still shell shocked at How JJ got worse, and what the plans are for the next 8 games including 4 ranked opponents
     
  4. Crip*TEAM KATT

    Crip*TEAM KATT As Wild As We Wanna Be

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    This.

    If Les still had his hand in the defense there would no way in hell these young kids would be seeing the playing time they deserve
     
  5. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    How about seeing the good because it's there? Right there with the bad.

    It's too easy to try to "black and white" this argument. It's not even close to black and white.

    Miles is a very good head football coach as evidenced by his excellent head coaching record, his national championship, SEC championship, bowl record, non-conference record, and his recruiting record.

    Miles is not a perfect head football coach, as evidenced by some of his coach hiring decisions, some of his clock management, and some of his gameday decisions, like personnel and play calling.

    Richt - good and bad. Mostly bad right now.
    Meyer - good and bad. Mostly good.
    Spurrier - good and bad. Bad until very recently.
    Saban - good and bad. Very good right now.
    Miles - good and bad. Trending towards bad.

    People who want to discredit Miles completely are missing the point. Not because they're stupid, or not paying attention. They're missing the point because they've come to EXPECT championships and explosive football teams, and LSU football has become THAT IMPORTANT. I get it. I get just as frustrated with Miles as anyone else.

    The place I see the disconnect is in expectations (extremely high - almost unachievable), and the lack of some folks' willingness to acknowledge that players fail, too. It's just that simple. Some players hit a ceiling and stop. That is not a coaching problem.

    Example: I can teach you how to do my job. The basics of it are not difficult to learn. But I cannot make you great at my job. And you cannot make yourself great at my job unless you have some gifts that you can build on. You can become good, but not great, unless you are just "that person".

    College QB is one of these kinds of jobs. I do not blame Miles or Crowton for our QB situation - it is what it is.

    They are, however, responsible for dealing with the situation.

    If Miles doesn't play Lee against Tennessee - then he's not earning his pay, IMO. As I've said before - Patrick Peterson, Kelvin Sheppard, Drake Nevis, Joe Barksdale, Jai Eugene, etc..... all deserve better than accepting poor QB play just to see if Jordan can come around. They deserve a chance at Atlanta. So Miles should give Lee more than just a brief chance on Saturday.

    But even if he doesn't do that. This season (win or lose, good or bad) will not completely fall on Miles' shoulders. The team - individual players - have to step up, and a certain few have to be really good for LSU to be champions. That only happens to one team in the SEC each year.
     
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  6. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    That is what has always amazed me. Football is really all perfect or all crap? Is that how life is? Your job? Your relationships? Anything?
    Yup. And this is something that the"sunshine pumpers" here all acknowledge. Every one of them. The perpetual whiners do not. It's either or.
    That point will never be conceded or admitted. This program will have to spiral like nebraska to weed out the fanbase. Literally. That's all anyone wanted to talk about at our tailgate of a few hundred people - how the focus is always and only on the negative, the 90% of things that go right don't get mentioned, and we are no longer thankful for any part of LSU football. The games used to be fun. And while watching JJ is painful, we used to be smart enough to recognize when we just didn't have talent at a position. It used to be obvious. But now it only falls at Miles feet.

    The team commits some penalties vs UNC, and here come screams about discipline. They improve immensely the next two games, and nothing is said - just silence while I look for something else to blast Miles about. Another game comes along, more penalties, and "you see I was right, no discipline!". And it will be fixed and they will move onto the next thing to scream about. It is so myopic and boring.


    Yes and yes. Miles certainly has control over that and should take the blame if it does not happen.

    That is a losing argument with this fanbase. It is personal now, not really about football. I have a sad feeling that they will get what the want, they just don't have a clue how bad that might be.
     
  7. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    After seeing coach miles reaction to the booing I believe he will leave after this year. Miles has been great at mentoring the players. Grades or legal problems arenot an issue with his teams. He is not perfect. He is making a mistake trying to run an offensive scheme that is not suited to this team. But all in all it could be worse. Let's try to remember that the grass is not always greener and you don't know what you got till it's gone. Play both quarterbacks. See who's hot. Expand the playbook to fit each of their strenths. No one kid has all the pressure on them and nobody has to be thrown under the bus. Crowton has to go. I think miles is gone too. Like it or not
     
  8. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I don't know how many times I have said it, but the perfect year for the LSU fanbase is an undefeated season, a national championship, a top ranked recruiting class, and a fired coach.
     
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  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Fortunately the Chancellor and the Athletic Director do. They must face the reality of having to hire a coach who cannot fail to do better than Les Miles record . . . right off the bat. That ain't going to be an easy hire and if Coach Whoever should succeed slightly uglier than Les succeeded, then their jobs are on the line. Neither of these yankees are Louisiana people with deep roots or powerful friends. If they make a poor replacement then they will be run off quicker than you can say "Sean O'Keefe".

    I don't think they sack Les at 8-4 because of fan grumbling. Unless people start leaving seats empty and tickets unsold, they will play any coaching change very conservatively.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Nobody walks away from a $4 million job because of fan grumbling. They've lived with that all through decades of high school and college assistant coaching, getting booed for $31,000 a year. Their skins are pretty thick.
     

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