just checked the stats. 3-POINT FG PCT. (Min. 75 Att.) 1. Justin Anderson 1991-92 .489 2. Jamie Brandon 1991-93 .438 3. Anthony Wilson 1986-87 .421 4. Ricky Blanton 1987-89 .411 5. Mike Hansen 1990-93 .397 6. Darrel Mitchell 2002-06 .396 7. Torris Bright 1999-03 .392 8. Landers Nolley 1994-96 .383 9. Brian Beshara 1998-01 .372 9. Chris Jackson 1988-90 .372 im surprised CJ is that low and Torris is that high. suprised no CTIII. forgot about hansen. would like to see the # of attempts. i know that DMitch is #1 so he gets some credit there. 3 are cjb guys (maybe 4, see below). who the hell is landers nolley? (during the dark days--guess i blacked it out)
True.....maybe he told them he was head coach during their recruitment and then when they signed they dragged out the animal that is Brady.
Yeah Landers was with Dale. Landers looked much older than he was and had the knees of 45 year old. He had these huge knee braces on......I bet he's in a wheel-chair now. :lol:
Day late and a dollar short Bullchit, you were wrong on Brady and you are also wrong about any perennial dominance. What the hell does the Florida Gator program have on any other SEC school? LSU has tradition and history when you consider they have as many top 50 NBA players as any basketball school. Also you have to consider that LSU has had their share of NBA players, probably more than Duke up until recently. I stopped keeping track about 6 years ago. Heres a thought, how in the hell did LSU ever become a power in baseball? It wasn't because of the thinking of people like you. LSU once had more success in football and basketball than baseball until the 1990's. If some of these smaller programs have success there is no way LSU shouldn't have success or at least be able to compete on a consistant bases. Dale Brown also throughout the 1980's, we made the tournament for so many years in a row next to NC, Duke, etc, I remember watching those games and hearing the announcers say such things. Keep in mind this comes from a person who has attacked numerous posters for their stances on Brady along with his little clan of the Brady Bunch, speaking of Saban Fan and the brady bunch. He is also one of the posters that argued with me that LSU is a football school, not a basketball school so they were happy with the status quo. BTW, People have argued about Brady and took his side saying that players transfer all the time including basketball schools. That may be the truth but the truth is that those basketball schools can still compete and win when those players leave but LSU can't. That has been proven year in and year out. We sure could've used some of those players that transferred out last year. We also need to keep the instate talent instate if possible and at least recruit some of those kids.
First off, I've been torn about jumping into this debate for some time this season. These threads though are inevitable, like they are every year to some degree. This thread has been lively and not necessarily acidic given the topic, so I'll partake. Let me first say, I think that the article today in the advocate was probably posted, but I didn't see in the last few pages, so I'll post it again. http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/14304072.html. I think it's valuable to look at what the players say... Most of them are defending Brady. Not definitive in itself, but to all the folks that say we should can Brady for a lot of the "personality" issues, that's certainly their right to say, BUT, look at what his players say and how they act. Many of them believe in him, what he teaches and believe he's a decent coach. That also explains why I believe Brady and Butch have actually done a decent job recruiting. We have J'Mison Morgan and a pretty stout class coming in next year, to go with a good young nucleus of players. True enough Brady has had his fair share of transfers, but I think for the most part those transfers have not hurt his teams. This year, you cannot blame injuries on Brady... you can hold him responsible for a losing team, but to be fair, if he has Tas', Q, CJ and DM this whole season, I don't believe we are where we are. I think the truth lies somewhere between the naysayers and the supporters. Truthfully, Brady is not a BAD coach. You can't be a bad coach and get the final four, win a few SEC championships. Bruce Pearl hasn't done that yet. Kevin Stallings hasn't done that yet. Can a good coach have bad years? Yes. Don't need to show the stats to prove that. Even "premium" coaches have had off years and missed the Big Dance--Bobby Knight, Jim Calhoun, Gary Williams, Jim Boeheim to name just a few. So, I'll also say, I definitely agree that LSU CAN and SHOULD have a more consistent and competitive basketball team. I long for the passion and excitement of the Daddy Dale days, but I do think that SDM, you're being a little black and white here. I supported Brady the first nine-10 years of his career here and defended him on this board here, b/c I did feel he was a good coach. He beat Arizona when they were number one, he beat the heck out of Billy D plenty of times (before Billy D had the fab 5), he won two SEC championships (one during the probation years), he beat Coach K, beat Rick Barnes, beat Bruce Pearl (regularly). To say that Brady supporters are "wrong" now because of two recent bad seasons is not right. Those past tiger teams played to their potential and many times above their potential, and that's a measure of a good coach. I do believe that "fans' " feelings about Brady probably clouded their perspective a little and this showed when during the final four run I was a little surprised that the atmosphere wasn't MORE electric. However, what's different between then and now? Can a Brady fan change his mind? Sure. What's changed for me, is the growth of a program, direction of the program and the winds of change. Brady was an intense, disciplined, hard-nosed guy who is the counter to what the program was in Daddy Dale's last years. There were reasons why Brady was needed back then. But, the past two seasons have exposed some weaknesses in Brady. Then again no coach is perfect and no situation for a coach is perfect. That's why arguably good coaches, like Quin Snyder, Tommy Amacher, Bob Huggins, just to name a few have their ups and downs. Really outside of a few names (and I'd say they are Coach K, Ben Howland, Roy Williams, Rick Barnes, maybe Jim Calhoun, Jim Calipari--and it's no coincidence that these coaches also coach for schools that have basketball tradition and emphasis), most coaches do have ups and downs. Brady is not in that upper echelon of coaches. But, (right now I think) LSU is not going to commit to get one of those coaches. These last two seasons Brady has shown that (1) when thrust in the media spotlight, he has "accessibility" issues, (2) when adversity is front and center, does he really have the creativity to get things done, (3) his recruiting hold on LA does leave something to be desired (but to be fair, he's done well in TX and GA), (4) some of his recruiting choices have backfired or his recruiting shortcomings have hurt, and (5) his ability to mold and work with players and handle team chemistry is a work in progress. Honestly, for me the tide turned a little bit on Brady a few years ago, in recruiting. He started to lose good LA guards. Lost out on Shan Foster (didn't have enough schollies and took Tyrus instead--debatable), lost out on DJ and Demond Carter in the next year, lost LaDarius Dunn the next. Literally, that was evident of tough times ahead. Last year's team and this year's team with DJ Augustin honestly would be a completely different team and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I hate to pin point that, but honestly the talent on your team goes a long way in covering up faults of a coach. But, that and alot of circumstances that are unfortunate in recent years (i.e., his mishandling of the Big Baby team chemistry and injuries) is the fine line between getting into the dance and not. Now, if LSU wants a change they are going to need to decide why they are making that change. It may not be because they have a bad coach and they need a good coach. They may need to make a change b/c they need a different kind of coach. I would love to have a real deal coach--that's the only way to establish "dominance" as you put it. But more than likely, LSU is not going to do that. The change they would make would be a "different persona" kind of coach. Young, up and comer, more "accessible" passionate coach, who's a player's coach who can recruit (but I'd argue MUST be a smart Xs and Os coach and one that still instills discipline). But, it's not like finding and landing those guys is that easy (b/c everyone's after them) and it's not like that guy is going to make LSU a "dominant" program over night either (i.e., growing pains of a few years). But, if LSU makes that change, it's because they want to energize the hoops community, re-market hoops, get folks back into the PMAC again--not because they want LSU to win overnight. This year is tough and I've lost a little faith in what Brady can do for us long term. Not b/c I don't think he can coach, but because some of the intangibles are just glaring. That being said, I think that Skip honestly could not find the right guy, the timing of the new AD, the fact that Brady is 2 years into his 5 year deal, and the appetite of LSU for change right now may all side with Brady. I also think that with the recruiting class coming in next year, and assuming that this core group of guys will stick by him, our team literally could be very good in a short period of time (not to mention TMG coming in '09) with no change. So, the question will be if LSU is a NCAA bound team next year, do folks hold on? Or do we make a change in spite of it? If LSU is committed to finding a GREAT replacement, I'm certainly not adverse to trying to build the dominant program. This year's not making life easy for Skip... that's for sure.
I agree, maybe this is part of the problem, it gets old every year with the exception of a few good years Brady has actually had here. Maybe this is another good reason why we need a change. Most players will always defend their coach while he is there. Decent job in recruiting? I partly disagree, we seem to be a guard or two short for many years, loaded frontline but lacking a back court. I'm not worried about next year, worried about this year and the long term direction. I totally disagree with you here. Sure everyone has injuries and thats part of the game but to say that LSU players who transferred last year hasn't hurt this team is just not correct. If you want to be fair that is, I'll say it again, a lot of schools have players that transfer but the difference is that they can still win or be competitive when LSU can't, can't afford to lose those guys. If we had Magnum Rolle this year for instance this team wouldn't be where it is today. I'm so tired of the excuses people use about Brady's teams when they aren't competitive or good such as we are young or injuries. We didn't have message boards in Dale Brown's day but I'm sure that had no role back then. I won't disagree here although I'd like to see what there records have been compared to Brady's the last eleven years and I'm betting that their schedules were tougher than LSU's, like to see their conference winning percentages. Me too and so where the idiot brady supporters who attacked those that criticized certain things that happen over the years. They labeled anything anyone said and called them names. I truely hated that, I've always wanted LSU basketball to be competitive and I'd like to see a run of making the tournament for a number of years again. Sixty Four teams make it to the dance, Why can't LSU be one of those? I won't disagree but that is past tense isn't it? How about his graduation rate? what a shocker that was! Btw, Two SEC championships in eleven years aint much IMHO when you consider just how bad some of brady's teams have been. If your happy with that and the status quo thats fine, I'm not. It was also wrong for Sabanfan and his cronies, brady supporters to attack other LSU fans because of criticism of Brady or the team. Maybe we deserve what we get? I don't care if Brady stays but I will be a fair weather fan until he leaves. I miss the 80's when it comes to LSU basketball. I have no problems with this, I think you see above where I'm coming from. Exactly why I don't think he is a very good coach. Imagine if we had a football coach like this at LSU? This has been my problem with Brady all along for about the last 4 years or so. I did eat crow for the final four year but I believe Brady's teams that did well did well inspite of him kind of like Dinardo. I will borrow one of your points here. See post above! I could agree with this I disagree, see Gonzaga program or Billy Donovan who wasn't a real deal coach. In closing if Brady was a good coach as some say he wouldn't have made excuses for players going pro, injuries, etc. His teams would also be able to execute some kind of offense especially when you have to close out halves with small leads or deficits. Something his teams haven't been able to do from what I've seen for 2 years. There is a reason why they have lost so many close games, lack of execution.
i disagree somewhat. i may not know the rules correctly, but i believe most transfers cant be replaced. if this werent the case then youre right because few of the transfers were special players (only shawnson j comes to mind). so this team would be much better off with rolle, neltner and gransberry. that being said, what has hurt cjb most (as well as most other good programs) is players leaving early for the nba. cant replace those scholarships always either, i believe. thats why i believe great talents that leave very early (bass, tt) are a net negative for the program. the best players are the good ones that stay long enough to become great players not just great talents (dupree, dmitch) disclaimer: i didnt read even half of your post or sour's reply.:rolleye33:
