Boise St. vs. TCU

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  1. Herb

    Herb Founding Member

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  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Man great game. Lots of dropped passes for TCU, and one sure touchdown was dropped in TCU's 2nd to last drive that would have tied the game. I thought Boise could have run the clock out a few times, but decided to throw the ball, i guess to go for the jugular, but TCU had a nice final drive, thought the last interception should have been called pass interference but oh well.

    Why does it seem that every team in the country knows how to run a 2 minute drill except us?
     
  3. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    Yes, I noticed it. The standards looked a little low at BSU.
     
  4. mobius481

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    They ran the two minute fine but blew the timeout situation. They should have had an extra 25 seconds on the clock when they threw the interception. That may have allowed him not to force it.

    They should have taken their last timeout on defense. That's the simplest and most obvious rule of clock management in that situation. The defense will run all 40 seconds. No matter what you do, you won't run that much clock on offense. The idea of saving a timeout for offense is beyond stupid.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I thought it worked out though, they definitely needed that time out on the 2nd pass of the final drive that was short of the first down. I was kind of yelling at the tv for a time out also, but it actually benefitted them because that time would have run down on any completion short of the first down marker. Boise State just shut down their run game, and with all the dropped passes by TCU there's your ball game. I still like Patterson, and if Miles goes in 2012 i think LSU needs to take a long hard look at him. Imagine what that guy could do with the talent in this state.
     
  6. JohnLSU

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    Their 2 minute drill failed. Had that had been LSU, we'd have fans having a heart attack saying how horrible we are. Some people can't accept that LSU played a great game against PSU, just like some TCU fans can't accept they played a great game against Boise State. From KillerFrogs.com ...

    OUT COACHED...HCGP [Gary Patterson] should hand over all the coaching awards. Pathetic.

    Above statement might be a bit drastic but Boise Coaches definately outclassed Patterson's guys tonight, including himself.

    I think Patterson was outcoached, but when TCU couldn't run the ball, it changed their game plan and Dalton and Co did not execute.

    Our guys were poorly prepared, lacked attention to detail and were out-hustled all night. That all falls at coaches' feet, in addition to the unimaginative game plan.

    Out coached. Out played even their fans did a better job of dirupting our offense, we were out everythinged...we were confused and lost

    We did get out coached...But GP is our guy and I dont see how getting out coached in one game is a reason to get down on him. Everyone has days where the dont perform to their own standards and he would probably say that today was just one of those days.

    We were out-coached and out-played. Bottom line. Congrats to Boise State. They brought it. We didn't.

    You bet. If it wasn't for coaching, TCU would have won going away. ... Hell, we didn't try to power run the ball -- except for four plays, which results in 22 of our 36 rushing yards.

    Is it too late to fire Mike Shultz? Don't understand the deviation from what earned TCU the #4 offense going into the game. Why did we move away from that spread option rush so much? We have the deepest stable of quality running backs in the country and we don't try to force the run and wear down the BSU line? Seriously, I know Shultz was attending many of the practices....do you think he had any input into our game planning? Although I think I would have liked to have seen at least one short-side option...

    can't wait to watch this game again on DVR, maybe I can learn something. I actually told someone in the stands lets do the short side option, anything!!!!! something!!!!! different.

    We didn't try any option that I remember. No end-around. Almost no running by AD (did that hit keep him from being mobile). We never gave our running game a chance.

    i swear I felt schultz coaching this offense...what works, throw it away, what doesnt, keep after it until it does....

    Fuentes and Anderson showed their youth as playcallers. Let's go get Mike Leach for an OC.

    OC(s) failed tonight.

    It was our first showing in the big time and we failed miserably in the national and local spotlight.

    After that abortion against Donkey look for the frogs to drop farther than any team in bcs era. Boise basically won on a trick play but they dominated the entire game.

    No they ( I'm an uneducated idiot that uses profanity)ing didn't. Boise won because A) Our D fell asleep after the fake punt and let them go down for TD. B) Our O looked like someone had slipped them sedatives in their pre-games drinks. :/

    ...[Boise State had] missed throws, dropped passes, OL jumping off sides, lack of any running game (not shut down, just not extant) had more to do with our poor O showing than anything BS did (save the one very nice blitz on Dalton). Good Defense, generally, but nothing spectacular. Kinda like ours tonight.

    our defense played good enough to win we just had an offensive brain fart by our coaching staff.

    I would say the lack of execution trumps the poor play calling, but they were at the top of the list of things TCU did not do well tonight

    I don't understand the fascination with throwing screen/swing passes on 3rd and long all night long. :/

    as has been our problem as long as we've been successful, the offense disappeared. I think they thought "hey, we beat these guys last year and we finally have a decent offense this time around, no sweat". We see how that turned out.

    TCU looked flat. ... the offense just seemed out of sync and vanilla compared to the rest of the year. Neither team really played their A game

    They [the coaches] way over analysed this game. He needs to learn how to relax a bit and focus on the players having the energy to execute a solid game plan. Stop thinking that we are inadequate for a great performance and perfect solutions for every scenario are fatally critical. Go back to the basics Frogs!

    Don't want to take anything away from Boise State, they're good. They were prepared with game -plan, and defensive scheme. However,TCU was outfoxed in all categories and more importantly, TCU's mental state seemed downright dull for most of three hours.

    Defense was good, not great, but wasn't good enough to cover the offense. Don't pretend Boise exploited TCU's defense, they didn't. TCU offense was abysmal, terrible, bad, nonexistant, etc. BSU defense showed up and the O didn't nor did the playcalling.

    Gameplan was not good...We seem to lay an egg every year, this year we just waited until the end.

    Matthew Tucker, 1 rush attempt . why did we not see more of him?

    had soooo many of my east texas guys texting me the same thing .... i honestly believe that if tucker gets 10 carries, we win.

    If anyone does see an explanation for this and Skye not getting a touch then please post it so I can quit being so confused.

    Tucker-1 carry for 10 yds and never handed to him again. Dalton would keep and get NOTHING.

    where was the wildcat? sky dawson? tucker/wesley? Im so confused right now.

    That's a very good description of how I feel. I'm not sure what I just watched.

    totally dumfounded how one team can throw everything out there, and another shows so little.....

    Easily the most boring offense all year and it cost us....Go past page 3 in the p'book and we probably would have had success.

    10 rushes? are you freakin kidding me? holy hell

    Where was the option game? When our delayed draws and zone running game was failing we just abandoned the run, totally unimaginative

    If you would have told me that Ryan Christian would have more touches than Wesley and Tucker combined, I would have guaranteed a TCU loss. I was calling for more runs after the very first series. I'm shocked.

    we really mucked up our play calling with that regard with relying on the pass offense that was non existent in this game.

    The playcalling in this game was a joke, pure and simple, disgusting. Its not the only reason we lost but I'm putting 70% of the loss on it.

    I'm disappointed we didn't run any of the misdirection that was so successful this year, nor did we put Kerley in the WildFrog.

    not sure why we didn't at least setup on the Wild Frog formation once or twice... And only giving your RBs 10 carries is 100% inexcusable. ... Man I am just completely stumped about our team right now.

    Confused is a great way to sum up how all of us feel. Did we get an explanation from the OC's about the game plan? I think we deserve that much.

    Yeah, that's what I was asking last night? What happened to our running game, the misdirection? Why did we not use Tucker and Wesley and Dawson? We went away from what we did succussfully during the season.

    Tucker was handed the ball one time and gained 10 for the 1st down. Never once touched the ball after that. Keep pounding Keep pounding is what TCU is all about. I'm confused.

    1 month to prepare and all we come up with the need to get Ryan Christian the ball more? Unbelievable.

    etc, etc, etc
     
  7. mobius481

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    But think about it, how much time would it have taken for them to take a snap on offense? They would have run 15 seconds off of the clock if they had already used that timeout. Meanwhile, they let 40 seconds run off when they didn't call timeout after one of the 3 or 4 running plays just a minute before on defense. They could have gained a net of 25 seconds after coming up short of the first down. Instead of getting the ball with 1:06 and 1 timeout, they would get the ball with 1:45 and no timeouts. When they were short, they would have lost time but not as much time as they lost while Boise ran the play clock down to 2 on every play.
     
  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    that is true, but they still had plenty of time to score a touchdown with the way they were running their offense. They called plays where their receivers were on the sidelines, catching balls and getting out of bounds. Maybe he should have taken the timeout, and maybe he was saving it for 3rd down in case Kellen Moore decided to just take a sack instead of throwing the ball away, then he definitely would have used that time out.

    Dalton threw the pick 6, and TCU receivers dropped balls, one that was a sure touchdown. Then the fake punt, Boise deserved to win, but i don't think Patterson did a bad job, his team was in position to tie the game at the end. At least we didn't see inside screens, or swing passes to the running back, or Dalton taking sacks, or linemen committing stupid penalties.
     
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    Even more reason to take it on second down because they may do it for you on third. first, second, third, it doesn't matter, you have to use the timeout anytime the team is going to run down the whole clock. If you have one timeout and it's first down, take it because maybe they run out of bounds on second and throw incomplete on third. It amazes me that most coaches haven't figured this out.



    oh they definitely lost because they played like ass. There's no question about that. It just frustrates me when the game clock is mismanaged because it is so simple. Save the most time with each timeout. If you can save 40 seconds, that's the absolute most you can save so there's no sense in waiting for third down. Timeouts are always best used on defense when you're trying to preserve time.
     

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