Bill to raise Fed minimum wage to $10 hr

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because you are either a volunteer or you are not. The situation you describe does not exist, is not offered, and is not sought. Minimum wage is for employees working for a living. Volunteers seek no wages. There is nothing preventing employers from offering free lunch to volunteers. But they cannot offer a wage below the poverty level.

    I am not standing in your goddamned way! I am explaining the law to you.

    Where are these place that you would work for $1 an hour? How can you afford to do that unless you are wealthy. And if so, why not volunteer? The minimum wage is not designed to protect the idle trust-fundees. It is designed to protect the low-paid employee who must earn a living.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    Any place where I would volunteer I would Also work for 1 dollar an hour. I know you can't allow that because you must control my life and everyone else's.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    For example In baton rouge I was offered a job as an ump for a friends softball league. It paid like a couple bucks. Enough that I coulda bought a six pack of cheap beer. And I woulda done it for fun. But no king red would protect me from that job, and the league needs protection from me as well. Thanks for saving us, hero.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes, I seem to have immense power over the gullible, the paranoid, and the insecure.

    You really have no idea whatsoever what working for a living is like, do you? You're not an iconoclast, Pilgrim, . . . you are a misanthrope.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    Yeah that's great. So anwyays, for your argument to be consistent, you must also favor the outlawing of volunteering.

    And agin price controls never work as intended and are the hallmark of oprssive and evil regimes.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I DO NOT have to do so and I have demonstrated why you are foolish for doing so.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    Then why would you "protect" a low wage worker from an entry level job that pays 5$ but not "protect" that same worker from an entry level job that pays nothing at all. The entry level guy who needs experience is allowed to work for free but can't be paid a small salary? How can this make any sense? Entry level employees need experience. That's why the unpaid internship exists!

    It is evil to control other people unnecessarily, just because you can.

    By eliminating the low paid jobs, you just send jobs overseas and rob our people of a fair chance to learn and gain experience needed for better jobs. You force people into unpaid internships and make them struggle in order to gain experience. You don't always know what is best for everyone.
     
  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I don't own an SUV, I own a small car and I spend about 20 bucks on gas a week. Of course that's all about to change being that I'm about to wave goodbye to the boot, and go back to the big city... but you have a fair point.
     
  9. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The law protects all entry-level employees from slave wages including $0.

    No it doesn't. Your ignorance of how internships work is part of the problem here, the other is simply your intransigence in refusing to admit that an intern is a VOLUNTEER.

    Look Jethro, an internship is NOT entry-level employment. I know this because I hire and train them. You have never been an intern or hired one and you are simply wrong. An internship is nothing at all like employment. It is part-time, it is temporary, and most importantly it is NOT A JOB. It is on-the-job TRAINING. It's education, not work. I do not assign interns to professional jobs around here, they can't hack it. I assign interns to learn each of the tasks around here, one-by-one by doing them under the supervision of a professional.

    They do it for college credit (in which case they are actually paying for it) or simply for the experience, a reference, and perhaps some products to put in their folder when they go job-hunting. It ain't a job, it is advanced educational training. When I find an intern who can hack it, I hire him as a graduate assistant and pay him.

    The other major flaw with your $1hour job foolishness is that interns volunteer to learn highly skilled scientific, technical, and business skills for highly paid professional jobs. There are no interns for picking lettuce or for making tacos. It's a stupid scenario that doesn't exist, except in the illusionary fantasy of martinworld.

    Are you actually appealing to "evil", Bishop martin? :D

    I have eliminated no jobs nor sent any overseas. You are quite demented. High-paying Factory jobs have been sent overseas, not fast food workers and lettuce pickers. How are they going to ship them overseas and still make you a taco at 3:00 AM?

    Let me get this straight, by having a law that offers less money than fast food joints are actually paying, . . . I Red55, am forcing Taco Bell employees making $8.25 into volunteering to learn laboratory analysis and computer graphics as interns. You are quite demented.

    I know reality from fantasy, Hoss.
     

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