Big BBall programs will go down

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  1. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    My point was you don't "have" to go to college . It is a natural progression and it helps in preparation but it is not required
     
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  2. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    But I thought these kids were exploited. You mean to say they get something out of the deal? Mind blown, man.
     
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  3. ParadiseiNC

    ParadiseiNC don't worry, be happy

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    You need to be where your restaurant is located, LOL. I was in for Mardi Gras recently and hoped to come by and meet you, but just didn’t get a chance.
     
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  4. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I'd say you didn't miss much but @stevescookin Is actually a really good dude
     
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  5. furduknfish

    furduknfish #ohnowesuckagain

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    Not a BBall guy but I knew Lebron was. Apparently quite a few other big timers:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_high_school_draftees
     
  6. Brian

    Brian Founding Member

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    Kids can go pro in tennis, baseball, and a myriad other sports after high school and some even while there.

    The two sports who deny that opportunity are the NBA (with their one year removed rule) and the NFL (with their three year rule).

    Both sports offer college as a way to best hone your skills. They mask that as educating the youth even if they don't choose or want it.

    You set the terms on my compensation, while desperately wanting my talents to make money off of. . Not very American to me.

    This system is truly football's lifeblood moreso than basketball. They would rarely make the league otherwise. Very few Beerman, Delvin Breaux stories. Even then they had to work a beer truck and get paid nothing on Canada risking massive injury.

    The NBA now has a developmental league though. Perhaps they're waiting to get the influx there instead of college, but the one and done rule the NBA put in is terrible for the sport.

    It also was NOT for the kids best interest.

    It was for the already rich best interests.

    Owners demanded it because they grossly paid mega millions on high school kids who amounted to nada out of desperation. Their own fault, honestly.

    These kids are said to be amateurs in am amateur sport right? They are not paid, but everyone else is from the university to the training staff to the coaches to the equipment guys the broadcasters both national and local and beyond. The kids aren't, though. That sounds like a pro league to me for everyone but the athletes themselves .. and don't tell me school support would be there for any kids wearing the jersey. If that's true the PMAC wouldn't only sellout when we're in contention or have a megastar.

    If you have a chance to make millions don't you want to make it for whatever window you can no matter how small or wide? Isn't that stock market right? American?

    So why can't these kids in basketball and football do that? We don't blame recruits going pro got huge signing bonuses in baseball right?

    How many Patrick Peterson, Leonard, Shaq jerseys sold? How much money do these guys generate just in publicity let alone actual dollars. Yet we force education on them? Why? If you were in their shoes or more importantly they were your kid wouldn't you be upset seeing everyone but your child making bank off his back and his teammates?

    Those two sports are mostly African American also, and while it may not be racist it is certainly racially charged and possibly motivated given the difference in other sports that aren't mostly black and their very different rules.

    Denying that reality is just morally dishonest. Not everyone who agrees with the system is racist obviously. I don't find myself racist and I used to believe in it.

    I've changed my mind. As I've gotten older I'd want to be compensated on my terms for work I provide. Doubly so for my children. Isn't that how you feel?

    Would you tell your kid to get a summer job being paid money they agreed to or be forced into a job that compensates them in very specific and possibly irrelevant ways?

    Would you do work that made your employer richer while getting free clothes and some books or for cash and the chance to market yourself and your talents for future benefits?

    There's too much limitation on individual rights. Some do not like school. I didn't. If I want to write while in school though, I could, but if I played basketball I couldn't?

    It comes down to the right thing. Pay them or do not limit them. Their choices will write their story. Why do others have the right to dictate their lives and the chapters within it?

    I do agree physically the NFL is not for high school kids. Not so in basketball, tennis, baseball, golf, etc. And I think that's why we see football players receive far more benefits from college in terms of training, body shaping, technique, coaching, and the overall quality of the development of their skills.

    Do the uber elite kids in basketball need that for one semester?

    Ben Simmons didn't, and what it got him was annoyed and in turn our fans incredibly frustrated with him bordering on disdain. He could have handled it better so he has to live with the choices he made but the system forced him into making the choices in the first place at a very young age. He was keener on the system than most of us are and how he was being used by everyone around him so he used back. It's sad. I don't like what he did or how he has acted, but I do understand it.
     
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  7. stevescookin

    stevescookin Certified Who Dat

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    I wish there was a "hits the nail on the head" button.

    Not only that but the NCAA also rules that no student athlete can have a job like everyone else can. They can't get paid for working their way through school.
     
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    I don't think that is correct. That would be restraint of trade. They do investigate that work was actually done and that pay is in line with the work.

     
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    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    They can sit out. No one forces them to go to college. They do it because they benefit from it.
     
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  10. Brian

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    Would you advise your kid to sit out a year instead of honing his skills? C'mon man. That's the attitude of "take whatever we deem is appropriate, shut up, and like it."

    That's not what this country is about or rather should be about.
     

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