US Politics Bernie Sanders

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Sport actions speak louder than words. He is anti free trade in every action he has had the opportunity to take a stand on.
    If you think he's admirable because he's incorruptible then you should have similar admiration for those who are staunchly anti marijuana legalization or anti abortion.
     
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  2. Jmg

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    so we are clear, you are supporting your contention that Bernie sanders is for free trade and your evidence for this is that his record violently indicates the opposite? Your evidence is a list of the free trade deal with various countries that he rejected.

    This is like supporting the claim that a woman is a virgin with a list of men she fucked. That's not how evidence works.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Lets be clear, Sanders opposes foreign free trade agreements, not traditional American free enterprise. He opposes US corporations exporting labor overseas, costing American jobs for corporate profits. They also get to evade a lot of US taxes. Neither the nation nor the workforce benefit from this. Only corporate profits and the portfolios of the 1% benefit. This arrangement is wealth re-distribution 101. Money is moved from middle class incomes to become corporate profits and low-taxed capital gains.
     
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    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Anybody who refers to equity investment as casino gambling can't be taken seriously in economic or fiscal matters. That is Sanders. He is the antithesis of freedom and economic opportunity.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I took it as a reference to Trump-style casino corporations redistributing middle class wealth, not equity investment.
     
  6. Jmg

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    Only corporate profits and the one percent benefit? Not the desperately poor chinamen who get to stop being subsistence farmers with no running water and instead move to Guangdong for a factory job? They don't benefit?

    The Bangladeshi seamstress who quits being a sex slave to sew north face jackets doesn't benefit?

    Non Americans need jobs too. And Poor Americans can't afford 150 dollar American made new balance 997 sneakers, or small batch artisanal jeans made in Portland. They need cheap Chinese labor as well.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    They don't vote for an American President, do they? In fact they don't get to vote at all. Not our problem, its a problem for China. We elect presidents to look out for America, not China.

    Don't pretend that you give a shit. You should run for office in China Get out of here with this lame-ass argument.

    Their wages have not moved up in 20 years, even though corporate profits and investment profits have soared from sending factories overseas. If the low-paid workers still had good paying jobs blue-collar jobs they could buy what they want. Cheap Chinese labor just redistributes wealth from working people to the idle rich.
     
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  8. Jmg

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    Why is your nationalism any less deplorable than racism?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Where did this absurd non-sequitur come from? You are losing your touch. Did you really think that Chinese and Thai workers are voting for President of the United States? Do you really think American voters are good with losing their good jobs so that Chinese can have better ones?
     
  10. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    I don't really care about the foreign workers but outsourcing does make things affordable. To be realistic, is it worth $20 an hour for an American to stitch the Nike logo on a pair of sneakers. It's basically unskilled or semi-skilled work. If you want to have such products make in America we would have to bring back slavery. There's an idea for Trump. Instead of deporting all those Mexicans make them slaves
     

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