Attempted Terrorist (Airplane) Attack?

Yes those are bad as well but they weren't brought up yet.

And yes most religions have the same premises and conclusion.

 

reality is better than fiction.

i dont want to ban anything. i simply think religion is clearly not true and it is damaging to humanity, thats all.

lots of things are terrible ideas, but i dont want to ban them. cigarettes, for example. freedom is important, i just think some choices are smarter than others. non-smoking atheism is the way to go.

 

i am not advocating any of those things as an alternative to religion. i am simply advocating accepting the world for what it is. that way you wont be able to justify anything terrible with your nonsense. you may find other ways to justify terrible behavior, but it would be nice if we had one less reason.

 

No, not always, I disagree!:lol:
You want to run this by me again?opcorn:
Some do drugs, watch movies and sports, play video games to escape from reality!

How do you know that there is a religion that is not true?
Well the same could be said about global warming and other things.:insane:
I don't think religion is as damaging as Obama and the lefts agenda.

Obviously there are smart, terrible and dumb choices in life but that is what freedom is all about.
Its up to the individual to make the choice just like it is with religion.
I was thinking about the freedom of the guy in the example you made.
If he is happy with no technology and his ways, why does it matter?
Maybe he has more interaction with people around him since he has no computer, maybe he is better off than talking to someone he doesn't know.

I would agree with non-smoking but disagree with Atheism.
Atheists kill people and do bad things also.
Surely you aren't trying to say that only religious people do bad things.

It is not religion that is making the decision to justify anything here is humans.
It seems to me here you are saying what I have said along.
Humans are the problem not religion or guns.
Even if religion was no more one less reason isn't going to stop someone from doing whatever it is they are planning to do.
They would have to think of a different excuse or reason for their actions but it would not prevent them from justifying their cause.

Are U feeling ok Martin?
Is the Obama flu in NYC?
U are starting to scare me a little here.
U are sounding just a little like a liberal in your thinking when it comes to religion.
The left always says wouldn't it be nice if ..... not to mention the examples I've shown above.

I'm not trying to say religion is a good or bad thing here either.
Religion is something that was made by humans.
Anything made by humans can be corrupted and can be good or bad.
But U have to understand that humans are the problem.
I don't know what you mean by accepting the world as what it is and then you don't want to accept it since religion is present?:huh:

 

yeah. but i dont believe those things to be any more than an escape. and i cant make myself think they are true, even i wanted to.

in the same way you "know" that it isnt really allah's will to blow up airplanes. meaning, i dont really know for sure.

true enough, and a great point. if ignorance is bliss, then what is the problem, if the goal of life is bliss? i dunno. maybe you are right.

i am saying that religion is another reason for people to be irrational, and they have enough already.

It is not religion that is making the decision to justify anything here is humans.

there is a reason there is violence in the middle east (which spreads worldwide) and not in toronto or tokyo. the reason is ancient religious craziness. if the whole world were a secular capitalist democracy, there would be many less reasons for violence. you never see an atheist accountant from sacramento blowing up his shoe on a plane. he might shoot up his workplace because he is sick of the world, but he probably wont try a suicide bombing of innocent folks he never met.

yeah, but you know i have always said this crap.

i mean accepting our knowledge for what it is. accepting that we dont know why we are here or we came from or what our purpose is or where the universe came for or why. maybe we could be content with just existing if we wanted. no myths necessary. i know that makes it tough to take when something bad happens, but oh well.

 

I am saying it wouldn't be any different without religion.
People would blame it on something else.

I disagree, its human beings and they also fight because of land issues because they live so closely together.
I think culture plays a role also I don't think it is religion alone.
There are plenty of religious human beings that live in Tokyo, Toronto, USA and everywhere in the world other than the middle east that live in peace.
You only here about the bad eggs every now and then.

The left always says stuff like this, the world isn't that way so it doesn't matter.
It is the whole coexist bumper sticker mentality.
The world just isn't the way some of us would like it!

I suppose you may be right here.
How about the Unabomber?
He is the closest to what you are referring too and I see no religion in his background.

:rofl:

I think this would be great but it just isn't the way the world works.
Again, Its the coexist mentality.
I truly do wish everyone could coexist but people have fought from the beginning of time for every reason U can imagine.

 

Sourdough you keep making references to atheism and secular society as thoughts from the left? The left is about irrational as religious people. Not to mention atheists are about one's self taking care of one's self not this crap utilitarian idea of the left.

 

Impressive.

 

God can do what it wants. i doubt it is concerned with violating your ethics. i dont see why it cant just reveal itself to a select few, say love me praise me because i am worthy, and when you die you can stay with me.

if it does what you say, there would be little value in the actions of humans---no love worthy of God.