Anybody else on the Keiland Williams train?

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  1. houtiger

    houtiger Founding Member

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    Charles Scott was a hoss last year and the year before, and he still is a hoss.

    Keiland Williams has great talent, but he has been mostly ineffective the last couple of years. I have been a fan of his, hoping he'd show the talent that he has, but it wasn't happening the last 2 years. I said before the season I'd like to see him have a breakout great sr. season. So far, Keiland has been having that good (not great) sr. season. I am very happy for him.

    Right now, I'd consider CS and KW as co-starters. I think CS has not shown as good because of problems on the o-line, and possibly because the D suspects the play that is coming when he's at TB. They know he ain't going wide, that's for sure.

    I like both of them. On 3rd and short, CS gets the rock.
     
  2. LSU-SIU

    LSU-SIU Founding Member

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    Scott is a one trick pony. When that trick isn't working then he is mostly useless out there. Hester could make himself small to pickup the 3-5 yard plays when there was absolutely nothing there. Scott can't do that... he doesn't have the speed to break it outside when it's clogged up the middle.

    Last night there was one play in particular... a I formation run (big suprise)... the middle was all clogged up but the whole left side was completely barren of defenders... Scott tries to push the OL, didn't work... I thing a one yard gain.

    If you have a underperforming OL, williams provides the extra speed and moves to give you a chance. IMHO
     
  3. Rolan

    Rolan Back to my roots

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    What it looks like they are trying to do is keep both of them fresh through out the game, for a great 1-2 punch. The problem is when Scott is at tailback, or even fullback in the I set, there is no threat of pass. Once JJ starts lighting things up I bet the middle starts to open up.

    Lots of spread last night, so it was pretty easy to tell run. I am about to re-watch the game... I believe that if we only had one in there the whole game, we would be much easier to game plan for. So you will continue to see both. As long as we keep trying to slam it up the middle with Scott, teams have to respect that, and it gives us the outside in the I set to Keliand and WRs. Eventually the middle will open up if we keep tearing people up on the perimeter.
     
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  4. BostonBengal

    BostonBengal Founding Member

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    I think you'll find that throughout the course of the season, both RB's will have their share of "signature games". They both have contrasting styles that have their place in our offense.

    No one except Jacob Hester gives us that strong legdrive and pushes the pile on a regular basis like Charles Scott.

    Keiland can run between the tackles, but where he's his best is on pitches to the outside because he's fast enough to run away from LB's and DE's but big enough to punish DB's.

    I think using Scott and Keiland comes down to what the opponent's defense is trying to stop and what kind of defense they have. If they are a speedy/lighter defense pound them with heavy doses of Scott to wear them down. If they are fast, you're not going to out run them so you need to pound them. If they are big or stack the line, Keiland's the guy you want to utilitze.

    But I think it's safet to say that one doesn't have success without the other. One of my favorite running plays is the fake dive and quick pitch to Keiland to the outside. That play doesn't work unless you've shown that you want to run up the gut.

    Sometimes you have to run your head into the wall knowing you're going to be stopped in order to keep the defense believing you're still willing to do it. So, even the Scott runs up the gut for 3 yards have more purpose than what you're giving it credit for.
     
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  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    if they ever throw downfield to BL and TT then the running game and the middle will open up. til then itll be slow going.
     
  6. Swerved

    Swerved It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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    KW looks better to me for one main reason.. He is now running more north/south than dancing around looking for the hole. He worked pretty hard in the off season, and it's definitely showing.
     
  7. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    I don't know what it is with Miles, but for a running back (Kieland Williams in particular), having a great first half only ensures that he'll barely get any touches in the second half. He finally saw the ball again late in the game, and what happened? Oh yeah, touchdown. It's Miles' most frustrating trait for me.
     
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  8. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    I was never off it. I don't really have a problem with Scott either. Our line isn't too impressive and Jefferson is very limited throwing the ball, which makes it harder to run.
     
  9. BostonBengal

    BostonBengal Founding Member

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    I think the more the season goes on, the more comfortable JJ becomes with the playbook, etc. the more confident the staff will feel about turning him lose.

    Once that happens, I think defenses will have to back off the LOS and you'll see the running game be more productive in the traditional sense (right now, most of our big-gain runs are on misdirection plays and option runs).

    I think our staff learned a valuable lesson last season. J.Lee is a talented QB but it's obvious he was FORCED to play at least a year before he should have. The staff showed initial trust in him and maybe that was too much trust too soon because once he started making poor decisions that were returned for TD's you could almost see J.Lee "pressing"...and the more you press, the less successful you'll become.

    It's that reason that I feel the staff is taking a cautious approach to JJ thus far. They're protecting him from the turnover bug that bit J.Lee and ultimately broke that poor guy's confidence to the point where he almost transferred because he feared he couldn't undo what he did.

    So, I think JJ will eventually be "turned loose" but why risk demoralizing him now if you don't have to?

    I'm more concerned with the coaching staff protecting our young QB and making sure that HE is comfortable with the playbook even if it means putting up stats lower than what we're accustomed to seeing.

    I concern myself more with winning games and the staff looking in the best interests of our young players than I am about fans complaining that we're not winning by putting up 500 yards of offense every week.
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Nonsense, Scott was a thousand-yard rusher last year and it wasn't all up the middle for 3. In fact last season it was Scott who was finding the holes and Williams who was constantly running into the pile. We can't judge these two seniors on one game, but on their careers. Neither of these backs has ever been "useless".
     

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