any of you guys getting concerned about kicking players off

Maybe most Miami's or FSU's or Tennessee's, but it was too out in the open by the time he was kicked off. It was embarrassing the program. Now, that said...few actually know what was REALLY going on. But that doesn't seem to matter anymore with today's media...and the sports media is as bad or worse than any other media as far as that goes. I say it was unavoidable, and yes...that's a stretch. Of course he didn't HAVE to boot him. But again, we don't REALLY know what the final nail in the coffin was...and if we did, we might find out it really WAS unavoidable.:huh:

Either way, it has nothing to do with JJ being booted. In the initial post, it was as if Miles suddenly has a happy trigger finger since kicking RP off the team. Fact is, there have been a lot of players booted since Miles has been here...before RP...just none that drew the headlines that RP drew.

 

I'd rather the bad apples get kicked off rather than be tolerated. I remember a time when the latter was the case. The rate of players getting kicked off doesn't seem to be out of control as compared to programs, nor do we seem to harbor those who break rules just because they're a all-world starter. We seem to be at a happy medium. So I trust Miles to handle this kind of thing properly.

 

Man, the original poster sure slammed into a brick wall with this thread! :hihi:

 

As a former 5 year "player parent" myself I can tell you that the public probably hears about maybe 20% of what really goes on within the circles of the team. Most schools keep discipline issues very close to the vest until the point that all they can do is get rid of the guy. Many just "disappear" and someone might notice the name gone from a previous media guide. I will also say that IMO the academic people spend 90% of their time keeping 10% of the players elgible. With all the help that is available a guy has to really be stupid or just not go to class to flunk out.
Once again, all IMO.:geaux:

 

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As a former college student who's been around/seen them, I agree. And I'll add that I'd say even the school/coaches don't know about 70% of it.

I know about several incidents that happened under both Saban & Miles which the public never got a hold of but would've been ESPN stories if they had.

 

I really think most programs would've swept it all under the rug. Nobody would've ever heard about his issues off the field, he would've never gotten suspended, and fans would talk about what a great person he is because of some ESPN piece on his childhood.

I don't believe there was a final nail in the coffin. It was just time to split ways - that's what was best for both sides. He needed a fresh start & we needed better publicity.

 

spot on.

a lot of his smaller violations would have been put under the ole rug.

 

No doubt that a kid isn't going to choose to play for a coach he believes is way too much of a hard ass (just like nobody would choose to be born to parents that are way too hard on their kids).

Here's what an LSU player under Curley Hallman said:

I wish I could find the articles (I've looked), but back when we first hired Miles, a lot of my friends didn't think he could possibly be as good as Lord Saban was during his last two years at LSU, and one of the things I used to argue with them was quotes I found from players under Saban who felt he was way too much of a hardass (something I used to brag about when it came to Saban when he was on the LSU sideline blowing up like the Hulk on the referees when they made him angry).

But as for the RP thing, I agree with Parso:

I constantly see sportwriters and people here on TF that think that Miles was being too soft for not kicking RP off the team earlier.

But I think Miles was being too trigger-happy with suspending RP all those times he did for minor stuff, and getting Joe Public unnecessarily all freaked out about RP (most of Joe Public doesn't realize that there are a lot of "work hard, play hard" guys out there that are great leaders and very successful at their jobs, even in the white collar world). I believe Miles thought RP was a great leader, and very successful at his job, but jumped the gun by suspending RP for minor stuff just because it got all over the news and resulted in tremendous pressure from Joe Public.

However, the different between RP getting kicked off the team and Jones getting kicked off the team, is that Joe Public didn't have any kind of possible hint that Jones wasn't good for LSU... Joe Public was not putting any pressure on Miles to kick Jones off the team. To me, that means that Miles kicking Jones of the team is 100% legit.

 

I would only be concerned if the level of recruiting dropped to where kicking players off of the team translated to an inferior product. However, even in that scenario, I would rather have a team that represents the right things in our community rather than one that represented the wrong things.

Right now, we have so much talent that it really does not matter. Frankly, I find it refreshing that we are an example of doing the right things rather than an example of doing the wrong things.