Another out of control cop in McKinney, TX

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  1. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    you dont have to have color to allege civil rights abuse, at least thats my understanding of it. Illegal search and seizure can be deemed civil rights abuse?
     
  2. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    "they believe excessive force violated Dejrria's civil rights."
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    SInce when? That seems to really ignore what civil rights legislation was all about doesn't it?

    She may feel that her rights have been violated, but it doesn't necessarily follow that her civil rights were violated. Only certain rights are protected under civil rights and anti-discrimination laws. The vast majority of our rights are covered under standard laws only. "Civil rights" are the rights of individuals to receive equal treatment (and to be free from unfair treatment or "discrimination"). The police also have certain rights to detain people and order them to comply. She will have a difficult time proving that she was discriminated against. She may very well be able to prove that she was improperly treated in civil court. But that is not a civil rights violation.
     
  4. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    ok, i was asking a question and I see your point.
     
  5. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Are you referring to the security guard or one of the female residents?

    I think it matters at least a little. There has been some discussion here recently regarding age and what the corresponding expectation of behavior/understanding of consequences should be. For me, I still see 14 as the benchmark, where I am more willing to look past the behavior. At 15, I move more toward a 50/50 evaluation. At 16, I am looking at the individual as more adult than minor.

    If I remove the officer's conduct from the discussion for a moment and simply look at this girl, she absolutely contributed to the situation. She was told to leave and started to do so, essentially a hall pass while others were laying on the ground, but then stopped, came back a few steps, and began sassing the cop. Once she was on the ground, she made a comment to the effect of, "wait until my mom...." which tells me this type of situation has been discussed in the home and I think at 15, she was more self-aware than a dipshyte 14-year old might be.

    "Casebolt, known to friends and family as Eric, apologizes for his treatment of the girl and to others offended by his actions Friday at a community pool in the Dallas suburb of McKinney.

    "With all that happened that day, he allowed his emotions to get the better of him," Bishkin said......Meanwhile, Bishkin said death threats against Casebolt have forced him and his family to leave their home for an undisclosed location.

    Daniel Malenfant, president of the McKinney Fraternal Order of Police, said Casebolt hopes his resignation will "restore peace in the community."

    I don't think there's question he went too far. I just think the resignation was not necessary. I'm sure most have heard that saying about not making major decisions when in the middle of emotional turmoil and perhaps the officer has done that and in consideration of wanting to protect his family amidst death threats. Who wouldn't? Once that shit starts, he can never be a cop again anyway.
     
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  6. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    i hate that he lost his job or quit honestly, but he went too far, I do sympathize with him on the pressures of a job and I cant imagine what he already dealt with that day. I think the guy seems to be honest and I hope he can continue his career somewhere else.

    not the security guard, the lady who lives in the community that told the kids to go back to section 8 and punched the 19 year old in the face. Has been suspended from her job, thats the fight that started the disturbance and from my understanding she started it.

    Also, having an attitude with a police officer doesnt warrant that force. People act as if police officers are constitutional scholars, if I get upset about getting a speeding ticket and I dont feel like i was speeding or changed lanes without signaling and I tell the officers as such with a tone or defiance in my voice. his life isnt in danger and force isnt necessary.
     
  7. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    To some degree I think this guy was a victim of the bad press that police have received, and deservedly so in most cases, over the past few months. Now that the dust has settled I don't think this guy is a bad egg. In fact, McKinney probably lost a good cop. That said, there has to be accountability, regardless of how badly one's day has been. Inner department discipline should have been enough imo.
     
  8. LSUTiga

    LSUTiga TF Pubic Relations

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    Taking it a bit too far?


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  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Times sure have changed. My Great Grandmother was married at 14.
     
  10. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    She shouldn't have messed with the bull.
     

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