Another Great Coaching Performance from John Brady

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  1. roygu

    roygu Founding Member

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    What do you base that statement on? Duke had a "coach worth a crap" and didn't win it all. So did UConn. Check the NBA rosters and see how many of the players on LSU's tem are contributing vs the players from Duke and UConn. Contrary to your assertion, based on talent and accomplishment a better case could be made that Brady out coached both those guys and made it further with less talent.
     
  2. TigerWins

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    You're right, it was only 10. And only 15 consecutive postseason appearances.

    We can't even make the NIT, but hey, that's probably more difficult these days as well. Maybe we shouldn't have any expectations of this basketball program.
     
  3. LsuCraig

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    OK, looked it up it's 10 straight. In 10 years, Brady has gone 3 times. 5 years with no postseason at all.

    The reason that more midmajors get in now is that college basketball is much weaker overall now than it was in the 80s and 90s. That's undeniable. Another thing that can't be refuted....Louisiana has enough good players for LSU to get to the tourney every year. Brady and his screaming act with no results has run it's course and it's time for the guy to hit the friggin' road.

    15 straight years in some postseason....10 NCAA trips in a row and 2 Final Fours. Brady can't do that and never will.
     
  4. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    ok, this is all just details.

    i like cjb. i like the style of ball he emphasizes. i like his abrasive attitude. i like to watch his teams play.

    i would prefer to follow an overachieving team get a worse record than an underachieving team. and in a nutshell, that is my comparison of cjb's teams to dale's last 10 (ok, maybe 9).

    like i posted before, comparing the hallmarks of brady's and brown's careers its a wash----basically, cjb has shown he can go as far as dale could (maybe further with more coaching years to come) and cjb didnt have to sell his soul to do it. ((and if you think lester earl was the only time, well,:insane: ))

    we can agree to disagree. i certainly understand how fans would want to win more.
     
  5. LsuCraig

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    Brown didn't sell his soul to win how he did here. The Lester Earl deal got him what he deserved and that was his retirement ticket. He had won for many many years well before Lester Earl was even born.

    I wish I knew what type of ball Brady emphasized. Maybe you could enlighten me. Every year it's differnet with his teams......one year they play good man up D and the next they can't defend or rebound against anyone. He's had 10 years and they haven't had a consistent shooter yet. He's had 10 years and maybe just this year has a PG all the while acting as if it's someone else's fault that he NEVER has the pieces he needs.

    He comes off as some tough know-it-all type while anyone asking legitimate questions about the program are stupid. But even with his tough attitude, he sure does whine alot about how he never has what he needs to win.....i.e. depth, (his own fault in EVERY instance as I have shown in previous posts in this thread), lack of a PG, lack of big men....it's always something. We can agree to disagree but the guy needs to be run-off and LSU needs to dedicate time and money to the program again.
     
  6. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    do you honestly think i didnt know he had won before earl? how can we have a discussion if youre like this. my point was that i think the infraction committed for earl was likely done several times before.

    im not going to explain to you the type of ball brady coaches. if you dont know it aint worth the time.

    btw, its humorous that youre griping about the fact that his teams have had different styles through the years, because i remember many critics used to complain that the always pushed the one style and it was boring or he couldnt win with it.

    depth is almost non-existant in cbb now, its not just lsu.

    i havent heard him whine about not having a pg. to the contrary ive heard him admit its his fault.

    he should also be given credit for changing his demeanor. somewhere along the way (shawnson johnson transfer, i think), he really started easing up on the players.

    all this being said, im with you. if the powers that be want to put more $$$ in and get a new guy, im all for it. just better be careful. dont just get rid of him because he hasnt been to 10 consecutive ncaa tournaments----you could end up with some coach thats no better and cant get the handful of recruits that make the difference.
     
  7. LsuCraig

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    Was Brown ever in trouble with the NCAA before Earl??? No, so case closed. We can debate how he got Stanley Roberts by hiring his high school coach......or any other case. But he got in trouble for Earl.

    As far as changing his demeanor.....who cares if he changed it. The team last year quit playing for him.....laid down and gave up. There has been a mutiny by players against him almost every year. I mean debating Brady's merits are one thing but putting your head in the sand is something else.

    Last year he whined about not having a PG and that's why we were losing....everyone was talking about not having a PG including Brady. He acted as if that wasn't his fault....as if the PG fairy just delivers good PG's to teams. No, that's his job.

    To be honest with you, after he signed a guy (Jumichael Young) that everyone and their brother knew would be ineligible with his ONE scholarship a few years back......I was done with him. He then complained about depth....when HE was to blame for the depth problems by using his ONE scholarship on a guy who everyone knew would not step foot on campus......and frankly wasn't that good anyway.

    And depth is an issue. He has a full allotment of scholarships but I heard him complaining this year already about only having 7 guys to play. How we were long on talent and short on depth and experience. He had a chance to play Johnson last year and didn't even though they were getting hammered by everyone.

    If attention is paid to LSU basketball Brady will be gone. He better make the tourney this year or Lombardi will can his butt, like he should have been canned years ago.
     

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