An amazing discovery made concerning the Earth

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  1. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    When people speak of global warming the tacit understanding is that it is man-made global warming. Kind of the way we talk about UFOs with the tacit understanding that UFOs are extraterrestrial. I never doubted that there is a growing trend of global warming; only that it is man-made.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Make your case.
     
  3. DoctorDave

    DoctorDave Guest

    Why make a case?


    Maurice Strong, senior advisor to Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary-General who chaired the gigantic (40,000 participants) “U.N. Conference on Environment and Development” in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 , who was responsible for putting together the Kyoto Protocol with thousands of bureaucrats, diplomats, and politicians, stated: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse�.isn’t it our job to bring that about”

    Timothy Wirth, U.S. Undersecretary of State for Global Issues, seconded Strong’s statement: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”

    Richard Benedick, a deputy assistant secretary of state who headed policy divisions of the U.S. State Department, stated: “A global warming treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

    Peter Menzies in the Calgary Herald, Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister for the Liberal Party of Canada, said in 1998 that “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits”
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because I asked Bengal Buddy to make a case for why he thought AGW was not valid. I wouldn't have asked you, I know that you wonn't make one.

    Politicians.

    You conflate political rhetoric with science. Not one of those politicians you list is a scientist making a case for anthropogenic global warming. If this is you making a case . . . strike one.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    again, if you dont favor political action, then global warming is an irrelevant scientific issue. and if if it is a political issue, then we have to acknowledge the reality of the political infuelence on the science.

    we know red favors/opposes hates/loves answers/refuses to answer questions about political action, in order to avoid the actual implications of the fact that the issue is politicized.

    its a political issue, not just a scientific one. there is no changing that fact.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Who says? You? :lol: That is a particularly ridiculous statement. Show me in any scientific text where political action is required to make scientific conclusions relevant. You can't.

    No we don't. If there is anything valid about political influence on science, then it is quantifiable. Who has done this? You don't know.

    I have answered them many times, your attention span is short. Mine is not. I could answer your questions now by cut-and-pasting my comments from other threads. But life is too short for that chit, amigo. I require you to remember what I've said before.

    Glad you finally came around. I have been saying all along that there are two issues here. You just can't seem to separate them properly in your mind. For once, we have a black and white issue and you see gray!

    You can't argue science by using political rhetoric, it's all about the facts. You can't argue political policy using science, it's all about the votes.

    Now, just to keep you from repeating 30 pages of the same old krapola, I state for the record.

    On the science of AGW, I have maintained that there is clear evidence and that this is recognized by science as valid. I have defended this on many threads with lots of evidence that you ignore.

    On the politics of AGW, I have maintained that there are foolish and expensive solutions that should not be considered, clever and cheap remedies that should be considered immediately, and there are flexible solutions in between that only require that we establish parameters that allow us to have our cake and eat it too.

    As with most things, conservatives desire to avoid make more money, liberals desire to make a better world, while moderates look for ways to have our cake and eat it too.

    Iconoclasts desire to make vague sarcastic witticisms.
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i meant irrelevant for a political forum. thats what this is. we are not in here arguing about gravitational theory, are we?

    which obviously there is. scientists are humans.

    absurd. things like this are impossble to quantify.

    of course.

    right you could tell us all things you favoppose.


    how very specific of you. the science says we are in danger, but you refuse to favor any solutions. perhaps you dont really believe the science.

    maybe you should propose to congress that we have our cake and eat it too. when asked what the hell that means, just giggle.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Ahh, changing the subject again when caught with fractured logic. I'm just about done with you.

    Everybody is human. This is a non-issue.

    That's why you lose again, Homie. You can't challenge science with mythology.

    I have already recommended several. You are just being contrary now and you bore me.

    Yes, you should definitely say something childish. You are so great at that.
     
  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I doubt that.
     

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