An amazing discovery made concerning the Earth

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  1. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    [​IMG] and only $$$ given to the left can save you! :thumb:
     
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  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    red, you are aware that science is always wrong about something, right? its a process, it isnt infallible, it is subject to social pressures.

    just a few days ago one of the most noteworthy of scientific claims, that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, was challenged. this could mean time travel is possible.

    a few years ago the majority of nutrition science (and the government) said that we should base our diets on carbohydrates. now this is viewed as total lunacy.

    we are not talking about creationism/evolution here, where the objections to science are faith-based.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Right, but it is a very small percentage of error and the existence of error does not invalidate science as a whole.

    Nonsense, it is not subject to social pressures at all. I challenge you to document this. Science is subject to scientific challenges.

    It actually doesn't mean that at all, it only suggests that certain particles may be able to move slightly faster than the speed of light. The consensus of physicists are skeptical until this can be replicated by others. It will be interesting to see the technical responses to the paper. My feeling is that it will turn out to be like the physicists who thought they had achieved cold fusion in the 80's. New ideas and experiments are valuable for physicists, but not all turn out to be what is hoped for.

    It is known that Einstein's relativity theory cannot account for all phenomenon that is observed, but it is so good that it may be many, many years before we are sophisticated enough to refine it further. These challenges are valuable, but they do not upset the consensus of scientific thought when they come out, they only help nudge it onto a better course.

    What is important to understand is that this is a scientific challenge, not a "social" challenge, which does not exist in science.

    Exactly. Valid objections to science must be sceintific. No social objections are acceptable, including religious dogma, media spin, or political ideology.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    no it isnt, they are wrong all the time. particularly with respect to complex systems like the economy and the environment.

    we are not in a magic utopia where scientists are independent from social pressures and human flaws and emotions.

    we dont know what it means.

    true enough. the point is that even the most respected and hallowed foundations of science are to be questioned.

    just as ancient scientists felt pressure to demonstrate that the earth and man were the center of the universe, so do modern scientists feel the pressure to find and scare us with some sort of human caused destruction. if it wasnt warming it would be something else.

    there are plenty of scientific objections. i am explaining to you why they are ignored. people desperately want warming to be true. i understand why, but apparently you do not.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You confuse and conflate political environmentalists like Al Gore or social environmentalists like the Sierra Club with environmental scientists. Scientists must prove their ideas scientifically and the notion that we can know nothing about complex systems is ludicrous. Just because you aren't capable of understanding a thing doesn't make it that way for all of us.

    It doesn't matter. They still have to publish their scientific evidence and conclusions and have them withstand challenge and be accepted by the scientific community. Leonardo and Einstein had flaws and emotions, it didn't keep their science from being accurate.

    You don't know what that means.

    Show me one scientific paper where this happens. Just one. You simply don't know what you are talking about when it comes to scientific research.

    You don't have a friggin' clue, junior. The reason that scientific objections are sometimes ignored is because they are false claims, claims that can't be replicated, claims that fall short of proof, claims that can't withstand critical scrutiny, and many other scientific assessments.

    You have no case to make, only rhetoric to offer.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    you an unwilling to accept human nature for what it is. the politics-blind environmental scientists only exist in very small numbers.

    which they do. and are regularly proven wrong later.

    you are so wedded to this idea that opinions matter. you judge presidents by approval rating. you judge political stances by how extreme they appear to others. you judge science by "consensus". one of my many ambitions in life is to help you grow out of this.
     
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    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Seems like old times!!!:D:rofl:
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Prove it. You can't. You are totally wrong and you don't even realize it. It's just another lame line thrown out by those that deny science.

    Not very regularly and when it happens it is proven by other scientists, not politicians, media heads, or effete urban elitists.

    PAY ATTENTION!! I just said that science must be swayed by science, it has nothing to do will "opinions". Your failure to understand what consensus means is not my problem. You just keep trying to change the topic every time I ask you to prove one of your cockamamie statements, which you consistently fail to do.

    If you have a ambition to teach me something you must hone your logic, learn to find supporting data, and try not to confuse facts with faith.
     
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    When we have another ice age, which is absolutely inevitable, will it be because of man made global warming?
    What was the reason that several times in the past there was no ice at either pole? This was before man's time.
    Sea levels were once hundreds of feet higher than today. Sea levels were hundreds of feet lower in the past also.
    If man had never existed the earth would go through these changes anyway.
    We can not stop climate change. If we all died today, the climate will change anyway.
    Why not accept what you can't change? The world will do what it wants. That giant nuclear fusion reactor burning in the sky will sometimes glow a little more, sometimes less.
    We either adapt and live on or we die. It will be what it will be. Raising my electric bill four hundred dollars a month won't change anything. This global warming bit is a continuation of the tree hugging enviro nuts replacement of traditional religion with a new faith. This agw enviro extremist are practicing a new religion. In the sixties they were tree hugging hippies. Their kids carry on the tradition.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This kind of blithe ignorance and denial of science is costing the Republicans many votes.
     
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