In all your years of wisdom, you could not have misinterpreted what I meant by fighting fair. You understand the ROI's our government puts on our modern day wars correct? If so, you entire statement was for not. Like in Red fashion, something out of nothing.
Is that so? I'd love to hear this Not in a very long time and I'm curious as to how much you actually know about the complexity of the US mine inventory both AT/AP, just curious, not saying you don't know but I'd like to find out what you think we have or have used. The only thing we have in the inventory with WP is an incendiary grenade. May still have some artillery shells but I'd bet you a dollar they aren't used. Ever. Nineteen forty what? Not since your hair was down to the middle of your back, all matted and greasy and Joe Cocker (RIP) was spitting all over everyone at Woodstock while you and your Birkenstocks wearing buddies passed the fattie around . Amigo Wrong, we as a Nation have never said "hey, look at all those civilians, lets just bomb the shit out of them. You are smarter than that. Collateral damage is an unavoidable circumstance. So is fratricide. We deal with it, so should they. Of course not, and I don't really give a shit what they think. He with the coolest toys wins, always been that way. Don't want to get your ass kicked, then keep your fecal matter in sequence. Well, lookie there, we agree on something.
Every once in a while I can let loose with a zinger, its all the better when Yosemite Sam is on the other end
If you are referring to the collective US, then yes "we" most certainly do. Or, at least, what do you consider a "terror tactic"?
Dude, we firebombed Japanese cities, over 60 of them well before the atom bombs. Not attacking factories and military plants, but deliberately killing the population that was providing labor to those plants as well as those who were just there. 900,000 civilian deaths. I am not objecting to the bombing, it was Total War and in total war i splayed that way. My objection was to the silly-ass notion that Americans alway "play fair" which is bullshit. We are just as ruthless and "unfair" about the way we do war as anybody is. Especially in the eyes of the receivers. We have developed and used every kind of mine that exists. Again, I have no problem with us doing this, just with the phony patriotic idea that everybody else does and we don't. We used them extensively in Vietnam, even the newer scatterable mines that can be played by artillery and cluster bombs. We have mines the size of teabags with plastic shrapnel that don't kill but cause casualties all the way up to nuclear land mines in Europe that were expected to help stop a Soviet invasion during the cold war. AT and AP Land mines have long been part of the strategy to stop a north Korean Invasion. We have large stockpile of them ready to lay. The United States is NOT a signer of the Ottawa Treaty to ban AP mines, although 150 countries have. We do have a protocol to restrict their use but we reserve the right to use them whenever we feel that we need to. We don't use them much in the brushfire guerrilla wars except to defend combat positions. A claymore is a mine. My friend we have huge stockpiles of WP artillery and mortar rounds. It's the best smoke screen that there is. We use the hell out of them for making smoke screens. We use them for incendiary weapons as well and occasionally as antipersonnel weapons, as recently as 2005 in Fallujah in the Iraq war. We used them extensively in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and more judiciously in Afghanistan and Iraq. But we use them. Army manuals conflict on how WP is to be used. The ST 100-3 Battle Book, published by the US Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, states that "It is against the law of land warfare to employ WP against personnel targets." At the same time, other field manuals discuss the use of white phosphorus against personnel. SO what? I said that we have used nuclear weapons and napalm against civilians and it is true. Live with it. We still have both in the inventory, they aren't sitting around in museums. We can and will use them again if we have to. Everybody knows this. You know this. We don't usually, but we have MOST DEFINITELY targeted civilians, most overtly in the firebombing of Japan. It was not collateral damage. We set about to burn out entire cities including their populations and we did just that. Well, lookie there, we agree on something. I do not object to the use of any weapon we have during warfare, understand? My objection, which you seem to have missed, is to self-righteous crap like saying that we "play fair" and our enemies don't. Nobody plays fair in a war. You use whatever you have that helps you win. The rags use terrorism because it is essentially all they've got. We have a lot more deadly toys that they cannot resist and we use them regularly. It ain't fair. That's fine with me. Just don't blow smoke up my ass about how we are good and true and the enemy is ruthless and barbaric. We can be just as ruthless and barbaric as any of our enemies. And that's OK with me, too.
