ACTIVE SHOOTER: MARJORY STONEMAN DOUGLAS HIGH SCHOOL IN PARKLAND

Now, now. Get them knickers out of a twist.

Here is an easy one for you. Do you think everyone should have the right to a machine gun?

Since I think you are pretty good guy, I will warn you in advance. Be careful with your answer cause you can get twisted up pretty quick, on this one.

 

Blindly following bad policy could be worse.

Not sure why you think I would respond that way. I respect your take.

I don't know if there is a national approach to these situations....they probably vary. Live combat in a kill box scenario is probably one of the most difficult things to do. Tunnel vision and uncontrolled panic have to be something a person trains and prepares for. That said, this article is a great read and demonstrates why the waiting strategy is a bad one.

"the standard "quad," four-officer response is not only ineffective, but impractical. In fact, the only incident I know of where an attacker was stopped by a four-officer or more team response was the 2003 incident at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio.

In all of the incidents I have researched, once the shooters were confronted by an armed response, no other innocents were killed. In each of these incidents, with the exception once again of the Case Western Reserve University shooting, the initial armed response met by the attacker consisted of one or two officers or civilians....

A single officer on scene has advantages when engaging an active shooter that tip the odds in that officer's favor.
In most cases, the active shooter is not a trained combat operative. You have been trained and you can use your training to take the fight to him and foil his plans for mass murder.

If you have received the proper training for responding to an active shooter, then you should know how to search a building for a shooter without unnecessarily exposing yourself to fire. Tactics such as corner rounding, sometimes referred to as slicing the pie, bounding, and use of cover and concealment are practical skills that we all should have and should be refining on a regular basis.

Another advantage that you have over most active shooters is the quality of your weapons. Long guns, especially patrol rifles or carbines, have become much more prevalent in today's police arsenal. A long gun is a force multiplier that allows a trained single officer to put accurate fire into targets at greater distances than those afforded by handguns. Remember, distance favors the trained shooter. You are also probably better with your chosen weapon platform than the average active shooter. This not only includes accuracy with multiple shots under stress, but also reloads, transitions, and malfunction drills.

Another advantage that you can bring to a fight with an active shooter is the ability to make hits at greater distances than generally practiced on shooting ranges. The biggest advantage you have over the bad guy is that you can call for backup and other cops are on the way to help you. No one is coming to help him. Yes, there could be more than one shooter, but the cavalry is coming to help you. Backup will be arriving on scene, and it will consist of trained, highly motivated officers who are ready, willing, and able to help you. You may have gone after the shooter alone, but you won't be alone for long.

http://www.policemag.com/channel/ca...13/02/rethinking-active-shooter-response.aspx

Of course a key piece here is that the training has to be tactical, practical and on-going. Officer Peterson seems to have been a great counselor and that's not necessarily a bad thing when building rapport with teenagers, but it doesn't get the job done when lives are at risk.

 

If they want one and they are not crazy

 

Change it to whatever weapon you like, even a musket and guess what else will also consistently show up...a medicated teenager.

Hit a vital organ and it doesn't matter the nature of the wound.

Exactly what I say about pharmaceuticals and a developing brain. And yet that subject IS being ignored.

When was the last time anyone reported and Indy car on the interstate. Basic vehicles being operated by a drunk kill plenty.

Some people pay ungodly amounts of money for really old booze they never intend to drink....possess ungodly amounts of money they will never spend....have children they never pay attention to. Let me know when the gubment restricts those things.

Who determines the common good? You? Me? Government officials?

And as I posted here the other day, CA has just about all the restrictions you want, and yet a teenager still managed to get a gun/ammo and he made threats. The difference? He got reported and he got arrested. See how easy that was?

 

Ok, so... within the last few years policy HAS changed. I agree, if you are already on scene, you aren’t responding to an active shooter call. At that point, it is a self-initiated call, and you have to run to the fire. Being the first on scene isn’t a requirement to wait either. Now it’s run to the shooting. As it should be. Even if you’re trying to figure out where it’s coming from, you don’t wait. You move. Sitting still and not doing anything is the same as not being there.

 

That was funny!

 

Unfortunately you are not. You are dangerous because you can't think past the end of your nose and you are allowed to vote

 

And another one....this kid is just 15 but had access...

"A John F. Kennedy High School student was arrested Thursday, Feb. 22, on suspicion of using social media to make violent threats, according to authorities.

The arrest of the 15-year-old boy followed an investigation that began when a La Palma school resource officer was notified of a social media post.

“The social media post contained an image and text, which indicated a threat of violence,” La Palma Police said in a statement. “Although the threat was not specific to any person or place, there was sufficient evidence to believe a crime had occurred.”

The boy, who wasn’t identified, was booked into Orange County Juvenile Hall where he remained in custody Thursday night. His parents are cooperating with the investigation and have surrendered multiple firearms for safekeeping, police said."

See how that works? 2 underage kids in CA in one week who got their hands on firearms, made threats, and both were arrested without denying any legal gun owners their rights.

 

No matter what you say, how you insult me, no matter how wildly you shriek you can’t get past the fact that these mass shootings have at least two things in common.

A mentally unstable shooter and high velocity rifle with high capacity magazines. You cannot change that inconvenient fact. Why would any rationale person not want to treat both common denominators,

 

Because both don't require treating