A genuine question for the unwavering Miles/Crowton supporters

ever see the film "My Cousin Vinnie" This a BS question.The Laws of Probability are so stacked against this its unbelievable. You could get great odds in Vegas. They will give odds on a pin dropping. But OK I'll play that is including injuries to your top three running backs? Oh yeah we will be starting a sophomore QB?

 

It was a great post. Period. What we fans on the outside think is of no consequence. I'm optimistic. Things will be changed and next year will be great. The worst part is the total negativity right now. It sucks that Saban is on top, but that's already in the past.

 

I support the program. Period.

I don't get hung up on bankrupt concepts like "Miles won with Saban's players." The players are neither Saban's or Miles', the players belong to the program. The scholarships are bestowed on the players by the program.

I don't blow gaskets over the fact that a former coach ditched us and is now with another team. That is his loss, not ours.

I don't irrationally second guess the coaches on particular plays called or results of plays because the law of averages dictate that those same plays will be successful just as often or more than not.

I don't attach blame to individual people, like the head coach, because the entire team (coaches and players) are responsible for success or failure. Execution of the play called is just as important as the play itself that is called.

Plays succeed when the entire team hustles, they can fail with a single breakdown or missed assignment. Sometimes we are the beneficiaries of breakdowns by the opposing team and sometimes we are the victims of our own breakdowns.

This program during this decade with 2 different head coaches has won-loss record of 99-30, has won 2 BCS Championships, has won 7 major bowl games, and has won 3 SEC Championships.

Instead of fixating on personality cults surrounding the head coach, I don't understand why LSU fans don't arrive at the obvious conclusion: the LSU football program made both Nick Saban and Les Miles famous, not the other way around.

 

god, no. dont inflict that on those of us that do remember those days.

i am not happy about gc being our oc because i believe it is a $$ issue, not a philosophy by his "higher ups" that he is the man for the job, that is keeping him here. and that is what has my panties wadded. to me that is very short sighted. i dont want those 3-8 and 4-7 seasons and i also believe if we hit those we will start losing money.

its a pretty basic business principle of spending money to make money.

 

This is your opinion. Being a top 10 program of all time, we are an elite program. Being a top 5 program for the last decade, we are elite. Even the elite have down cycles. What I find funny is that you had said your concern was more than just the W/L record, but here you are focusing on just that.

 

For the record EVERY elite team has had severe extended periods of being down, and they are and have been considered elite.

 

hmm....older than i thought

damn strong red!

 

Why on Earth do people want to be known as negatigers?

 

I specifically stated what I consider "Elite" - Top 5. Finishing once in the top 5 and 16 times outside of the top 10 (9 times unrated) in the twenty years before the dark ages would exclude us from "Elite" or "Damn Strong" status during that time frame. I know you have access to a dictionary, maybe you should look up the word elite.

We finished unrated for 6 years under McClendon before he was fired and some say we fired him too hastily. You were fine with that performance? You'd consider that elite?

Again, I'm not talking all-time, and I'm not talking about other teams. My point originally was that we were pretty much an also ran in the years leading up to the dark ages. The dark ages were like a wildfire through a forest, painful, but needed to return to vibrancy.

My point originally was that it is my opinion that Miles will not be able to maintain "Elite" or "Damn strong" status and that we will return to the level of football we played before the dark ages or worse. It may not be the year to fire Miles, but considering a change is warranted, IMO. If we have to go through some dark ages to get out of the lull, I prefer aggressively pursuing excellence rather than riding the placid wave of mediocrity. If other programs are willing to wait out the lull, so be it. I hope we aren't.

Why do you continue to make the false claim that I expect to be top 5 EVERY YEAR and will be miserable if we aren't? I am wise to the reality of the world, the flux of college football. Misrepresenting my position might falsely make your point sound more credible, but in the end, it is a falsehood.

And really, Miles' tenure has made my every Saturday more stressful, pulling out last second wins and dropping last second losses, but bickering over differences of opinion on TigerForums might be what ultimately does me in.

I'm trying to wind it down. I've accepted that Miles and Crowton will return next season.

Technically, we'd only be a "Damn strong" considering our all-time record. :yelwink2:

I agree, I just think it is how you handle those down cycles that defines your program. I can point to more than our record for the past couple of years to explain my feelings about Miles. Looking at Nebraska, they've been down lately. Solich was fired after a controversial decision by a controversial AD, but since his ouster Nebraska has been agressively pursuing a return to strong football. I appreciate that.

My concern is more than W/L, but W/L still plays a large roll. For a quick analysis I'm using W/L. But I understand your point. I imagine the story beneath the W/L explains why McClendon was given plenty of time at the end of his career here to right the ship.

I'm taking the epithet and running with it; a little tongue-in-cheek.