A genuine question for the unwavering Miles/Crowton supporters

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What's so special about cherry-picking 1970 as a starting point, oh wise sage of LSU football history? That conveniently leaves out the previous 15 years when LSU was a perennial top-10 team and a national champion. Or the extremely successful 1930's.

    Compare our program with the other top programs and you will see the same thing . . . some good decades, some bad decades, but overall consistent top rate football for a century. Bama just came off their worst decade since the 1950's. Nebraska has endured one, too. Need I mention Notre Dame?

    I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. All football programs have ups and downs and LSU is no different, but we have consistently been among the top programs for a long time and still are.
     
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  2. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    Dang Red, I think I've made my point fairly clearly a number of times this thread. The dark ages of the early 90s were preceded by also-ran status. I never said LSU isn't one of the best programs in the history of college football, only that we struggled through mediocrity for quite a while before the dark ages, which I think is a key reason we finally had the dark ages. I think going back 30 years is very sufficient in establishing this. Going back to the 60s is well removed from the current era.

    As a 30 something year old I've known three periods of LSU football; decent / also-ran, BAD, GOOD. Based on what I know, it looks like we're slipping back to decent / also-ran. If so, that isn't real good for our program. I'd rather struggle to attain excelence rather than wade around in mediocrity for quite a while.
     
  3. BAY0U BENGAL

    BAY0U BENGAL I'm a Chinese Bandit

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    But red, it all goes back to "what have you done for me lately?"
     
  4. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    If you're going to assume LSU will return to it's pre1970s form, should we also assume that Ole Miss will? It's a different world.
     
  5. BAY0U BENGAL

    BAY0U BENGAL I'm a Chinese Bandit

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    I'm just saying that it all goes back to "what have you done lately?" It's easy for some to write off those earlier teams from before the 60's.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I know what you're saying. But those of us who were THERE and packed the stadium in that era never felt that way. We had good years (10 years ranked) and average years (8 years unranked) but only Jerry Stoval's 2 losing seasons in that 20-year span.
     
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    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    I'm not writing off our history, but the further from that history we travel the less relevent it is to the modern era. We used to pick at Bama for living on what they did under the Bear. Now we want to go back to the 60s to prove that we were nationally relevant before Saban got here? I'm proud of LSU's tradition, but I guess you're right - "What have you done for me lately," applies. Before Saban we had a span of 30 years when we weren't really a nationally relevant program.

    red55
    I remember being clobbered by the Canes in the freezing rain and losing big to FSU sometime in the late 80s early 90s and feeling like, "Yeah, we're good, but these guys play on a completely different level." I was a kid and just accepted that we were pretty good but that we weren't THAT good. It never occured to me that we'd ever be on that level and I was fairly content with where we were.

    Now that I've seen us among the elite I can't see going back to the 20 years before the 90s when we were basically pretty good but never really elite. I feel us slipping, which is why I'm concerned.

    Maybe as a fanbase we need a strong dose of humility so we won't expect to be among the best on a regular basis. I have to say, it seems we had a heartier fanbase back then. It seems we were less concerned with being the best in the nation and more happy just to win a game. Like Buddy Songy says (over and over), its hard to go back to beans after you've been eating steak.
     
  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    CROW MUST GO!!! CROW MUST GO!!!! CROW MUST GO!!!!

    the campaign has been started.
     
  9. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    But that's just it. We were nowhere close to "good" in the early 90's when FSU slapped us around. The year the Canes beat us, we had a respectable team, one that won the SEC, in fact. But Miami was operating on a different level then than most other teams.

    In short, no teams stay totally elite over a really long period of time. Unfortunately, it's more of a decade-by-decade kind of basis. Our previous decade was maybe as good as it gets, and with 2 NC's, we can't really sneeze at that.

    Now, I hope we're going to return to elite, but when people were even complaining during NC years, most of the older members of the board cautioned that they might want to enjoy the good times, rather than b***h about them.
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Believe what you will, but those of us who were there saw a lot of very good football including SEC championships and major bowls. What we didn't have was a national championship, but that did NOT make LSU irrelevant.

    Well, most of us got humility in the 90's like Bama, Nebraska, and Notre Dame did in this decade. Thank your stars if 8-5 and 9-4 is all the humility you have had to bear as a Tiger Fan, but winning seasons just don't stress me all that much, amigo. Some folks seem to think that we must be moving down, when its obvious to me that are within the normal fluctuation of a top team in the days of scholarship parity. There is no reason at all that LSU can't be competitive next year.

    NOBODY contends for the national title every year. Not LSU, not USC, not Bama, not Florida, not nobody. Contending three out of five years and with a national championship is better than anybody except Florida. Think about it.
     

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