A genuine question for the unwavering Miles/Crowton supporters

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  1. GregLSU

    GregLSU LSUFANS.com

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    Good post.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Why not? What excuse? Perrilloux would have been a junior and senior the past two years. His departure left a hole in the quarterback succession and caused us to start two green quarterbacks in successive years. It's a major issue.

    I will never understand folks who think firing a coach is the solution to every problem. Sometimes the players are the issue . . . especially in college where they only stay a few years and if you lose a key player you can't just go out and hire another one.

    We've had serious problems on the OL and at quarterback in 2008 and 2009. Could it be that the five offensive linemen and the starting quarterback that were dismissed in 2006 and 2007 had something to do with that? Their moral failures cost LSU more losses than Les and Crowton have. They were not here when we needed them.
     
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  3. alfredeneuman

    alfredeneuman Founding Member

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    Thanks for the carry; that's exactly what I meant.

    That said, while RP did screw over the team because of his idiocy, he's two years removed. Maybe JJ is the guy, maybe he isn't. It's hard to tell because of the O-line's lack of performance.

    Seems to me, and of course I could be wrong, Miles delegates responsibilites to his coordinators. And if this is the case, Stud was responsible for getting the O-line ready to play, with GC overall accountable. Miles doesn't seem like the type to dig into people's asses, but his coordinators should, and GC is the QBs coach.

    The biggest difference I see between the 2005-2007 and 2008-2009 teams is player leadership. There doesn't seem to be any on both sides of the ball, but especially on the lines. I've said it before, but go back to the 2008 game vs. Arkansas when Alem kicked the ball after a stop in the 4th QTR. What do you think Dorsey would have done had he still been there?

    What I'm getting at is, while the coaches are indeed responsible for what happens on and off the field, players have to have accountablility among themselves, as well. Developing leadership among the players is just as critical as developing talent.
     
  4. Purple Tiger1

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    RP played the second half with a broken finger on his throwing hand if memory serves me right.
     
  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    RP leaving forced LSU to start a green QB one year. it is the coaches and players fault that Lee wasnt successful.

    at some point though roster management is a big deal. (see john brady) seems to me that since QB is so important and experience at that position is more important than at any other, a team should never be without an upperclassman backup.

    if you are outside the program, its arrogant to think that you can reasonably judge the leadership on the team.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Two years--his junior and senior seasons.

    Lee just wasn't ready yet and neither was Jefferson. If Perrilloux had played out his eligibility, Lee and Jefferson would be juniors competing for the job this spring.

    Easier said than done. You can't control players being dismissed unexpectedly. Neither can you stockpile so much talent that you always have a senior backup. Top quarterbacks won't sign with a school that has another top quarterback only one year ahead of him. Very few quarterbacks are willing to be a backup for four years before starting, like Flynn did. Most find greener pastures for their junior or senior years.
     
  7. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    if too many players leave (for whatever reason) over time it is the coaches fault.

    the backup doesnt have to be 5star, just better than clausen and hatch, and he is just there in case the 5 star So. QB isnt ready.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It is the coaches responsibility. It's not always their fault.
     
  9. DRC

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    I've been traveling and/or out of the country for the last few weeks so I havent been able to see much of the forum. I barely got to watch the bowl game but it wasnt enjoyable.

    I wouldnt consider myself an "unwavering supporter" of Les Miles but the notion of firing the man is really a stretch if not complete nonsense. The last 2 years havent looked good but he hasnt done anything to warrant a firing. We did underachieve considering what most observers view the talent level here. Les lost some good will with the fans after the Ole Miss debacle and the perception of him nationally is, to put it mildly, not good.

    That said, Crowton is an enigma. I questioned the hiring on this board when it happened. He hasnt developed any QB's outside of Tim Rattay and never run an offense like the one he has tried to implement here. Why Les hired a spread guy for LSU is just as questionable as the Malveto disaster. It was the wrong hire to make and Les needs to let Crowton run what he specializes in or let him go. Crowton cant believe in what he's doing. It isnt anything he ran in his previous jobs and why Les expected him to adapt to a completely foreign offense is a bit puzzling.

    In my view, if the results are the same next year as the last 2 years Miles goes under the microscope and 2011 becomes his hot seat year. In this day and age of 12-13 games, back to back 4 and 5 loss seasons are mediocre for elite teams especially considering the weak OOC scheduling. Miles is one of the top paid coaches in the game and with that kind of compensation comes high expectations and a shorter leash. We have been an elite team for the better part of 10 years and I suspect the PTB wont settle for underachieving over several straight years.
     
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  10. alfredeneuman

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    It's not arrogance that leads to that conclusion; it's based on what one sees on the field, not who leads warmups in practice. To be more precise, developing player leadership is every bit a coaching responsibility as developing player talent.
     

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