8/6 Republican Presidential Debate

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  1. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    So the colleges are saying that since the government is making all this loan money available they might as well raise tuition to grab a bigger piece of the pie.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Just playing the game like you guys play it. You seem to always mention liberals and their free shit but never a mention of conservatives. But hey, if you are against it for everyone that's respectable.
     
  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Nothing is free, doesn't matter what side it comes from, we ALL have to pay for it eventually.
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I am fully aware of that. I pay my taxes, but I also recognize that the game is rigged and those of us in the middle are the ones getting fucked. It's not just the people at the bottom gaming the system. To a larger degree it's those at the top and one of the great things at that debate was Trump admitting it.
     
  5. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    So why in the hell would you want to pay more taxes? I sure as hell don't, getting my ass kicked over here.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Healthcare would be cheaper in the long run. I think the rich should pay more taxes, and I also think every state should do what Maine did and start knocking people off of assistance that can work but don't. Community service, or work for the state cleaning up parks or volunteering for 30 hours a week would suffice for able bodied citizens. Does Oklahoma have state and high property taxes or something? There has to be a better way.
     
  7. Herb

    Herb Founding Member

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    This.

    No way in hell this ever passes. In theory, a great idea. In practice, undoable without huge waste and a much higher price tag than the already mind-boggling addition to a debt load that still needs to come under better control.
     
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  8. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    But it will resonate and get people all giddy and think it is the best thing ever even though they will never see it.
     
  9. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    We've had this discussion before, the short answer is yes, put people to work. We have very different ideas about how to do this
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It will resonate with the middle class and that is Hillary's core voter group. College affordability may have become the mainstream, crowd-pleasing middle-class issue of the moment, like homeownership or Social Security or health care in previous eras. Obviously there must be balance between costs and benefits but there is much to consider here. Our economy cannot grow by employing more lettuce-pickets and hotel maids. The economy will increasing depend on an educated and trained workforce.

    Much is changing in education. And her New College Compact addresses a lot of it. It also includes many issues promoted by Republicans like more affordable student loan repayment (Marco Rubio) and lowering costs overall (Jeb Bush).

    Two-year colleges enroll 40 percent of undergraduates in the United States. Clinton's proposal would make community and junior colleges tuition-free like high school. Essentially a guarantee of 14 rather than 12 years of free public education. Many technical fields only require two-years for accreditation.

    Commuting, not living on campus, is the new normal. At public colleges on average, living expenses like room and board cost more than tuition. Avoiding debt leads more and more students to forego the classic activities of campus life, from frat-house living to unlimited soft serve in the dining hall. Those perks may fall under the ax anyway: Under the New College Compact, the money would go only to institutions that agree to cut costs and apply the funds strictly to instruction, not to hot tubs and climbing walls.

    41 percent of full-time students are employed these days. A 10-hour-a-week job for students is part of the expected family contribution for federal financial aid under Hillary's plan. She also wants to make it seamless, even automatic, to enroll in income-based repayment of student loans.

    LSU President Alexander very much likes what he is hearing. "We need federal leverage and incentives to keep states in the public higher education business. If we do not utilize federal leverage, if the trends continue as is, states will stop spending a penny on higher education." He calls Clinton's plan "innovative and highly needed."
     

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