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  1. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    You know there is an old saying about one mouth and two ears...or perhaps eyes. Why would he have done such a thing? Would it shock you to know that bin Laden was once an ally to the U.S.?

    Just sayin...

    Get your shit together before you find yourself in the deep end and you don't know how to swim.
     
  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    You are confusing a political spin machine with people who actually give a flying shit about the country in which we live. I don't watch it either nor do I listen to ANY political talk radio.

    I as I'm sure the rest here regardless of what side they take don't need an overpaid blowhard to help them formulate an opinion or a stance. Even if they did what would be the point? Right? Most of what the anti bho crowd are fired up about are the same issues we have had with him from the beginning.
     
  3. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I know how to swim and I have 2 pair of floaties. The Taliban as Reagan put it, were freedom fighters, like the founding fathers. So they just all of the sudden started being "bad guys" right? No they were bad then too they just served a purpose against the big bad Soviets. And all that bullshit Reagan did with them came to roost didn't it. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Bin Laden, Americans who worship Reagan are like Jews who worship Hitler's mom. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran, still worshiped, amnesty to 3 million undocumented workers, still worshiped, tripled the federal budget deficit, still worshiped. Sounds a lot like Obama actually.
     
  4. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Maybe your uncle red can set you straight.

    Do you have any idea why bin laden hated us so much?
     
  5. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    So they are justified in their terrorist activities, both against Americans and others whose heads they cut off....got it.

    They will likely assume positions in Mullah Omar's cabinet.

    Sure we do. We jail people and deny them probation based on what we think they may do upon release.

    I do not watch Fox News and I do not now, nor have I ever had a Facebook account.

    They were going to be released next year, one way or the other. I think the alleged "trade" for a deserter was a bad move.

    They came out on top in every way.

    That wasn't the point. We could have done whatever damage to Haqqani that we chose to and it had nothing to do with Bergdahl.

    But you don't have access, do you? If you think we don't give money to terrorists, then I don't know what to tell you. Right after Bergdahl walked away, we offered money to the Taliban for his return.

    The average goat herder doesn't have the $10M connection. They turn on each other for money.

    If you choose to ignore the White House, the Treasury Department, and the National Counterterrorism Center in favor of the State Department's perfunctory list, that's your choice but to say the Taliban aren't terrorists is about as disingenuous as it gets.

    Hey Red.....care to reply?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So why wasn't he discharged? Why deploy him?
     
  7. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Good question. When I was a DI we sent a kid to see the wizard cause we thought he was coa coa puffs. The Wizard sent him back and said train him.

    A week later he blew his brains all over the ammo shed at the qualifying range.

    Point is they don't always catch em. Sometimes they get through.
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because we sent an army into Saudi Arabia in 1991. before that the US policy in the Middle East revolved around economic support of local allies and a naval presence in the Persian Gulf. Bin Ladin was obsessed with Arab purity and the notion of an infidel army in his Holy Land warped him. The irony is that his attack on 9/11 resulted in the US taking down two islamic countries and having a much bigger footprint in the Middle East. This revoltin' development has not been lost on other islamists, most of whom did not think attacking America was their fight. Al Qaeda split from the Muslim Brotherhood over this. Hezbollah, Fatah, Hamas, Haquani, and the Taliban have local agendas. The Al Qaeda splinter group in Yemen is the only one that has attempted to target Americans outside of their turf and we are hammering the shit out of them for that.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    MLU is correct. The Haquani and the Taliban are not the same. They have become allies of convenience, but when mutual enemies are not present, they are as likely as ever to start competing with each other for power in their shared turf.

    MLU is also correct in that the Taliban is not a terrorist organization in the mold of Al Qaeda. Not every guerrilla army is engaged in terrorism against civilians. They did not attack America. Their agenda is control of Afghanistan. They fight us in Afghanistan because we took it away from them after they refused to hand over Al Qaeda. They clearly did not expect a US invasion and occupation. They foolishly thought that they had defeated the Soviet Union and caused its collapse. They naively thought that the US military was no better than the Soviets. They imprudently believed that the American public was gun-shy from Vietnam and they had understanding whatsoever of the Pearl Harbor-like reversal of American opinion after 9/11. If they had a do-over, I suspect they would hand over the Al Qaeda foreigners and still be in charge of Afghanistan with few worries from us or anybody else.
     
  10. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Blah blah it had everything to do with us leaving him and his Taliban Pedros high and dry when they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan in the 80's
     

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