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  1. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    These 5 were identified as the ones to trade as far back as February.
    "The Taliban has long pushed for the release of the men who have been called the “GITMO Five” – a group of experienced jihadists who helped run the terror organization’s operations in pre-9/11 Afghanistan."



    Well the President did accept his resignation in lieu of firing him. There is that.

    It's not about negotiations. In December of LAST YEAR Obama signed a law agreeing to give Congress 30 days before the release of any prisoner from Gitmo. He signed the law despite not having executive privilege to veto certain things. Notification is something he didn't agree with and so he just ignored it. He broke the law. He admitted it. His people admit it.

     
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  2. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    I know exactly how to empty Gitmo. You strap every on of them.jihadist goat fuckers to bombs and return them home in tbe belly of a bomber. Open the doors and drop their asses on their front door step from 20000 feet.
     
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  3. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Boy I love how you try to deflect with the Fox New bogeyman Red. I guess you didn't notice I quoted Chuck Todd of MSNBC and usually cite the Washington Post, and other mainstream or even liberal sources. Obama is nothing but an arrogant and incompetent president. This is the latest and 6 years of blaming Rs for all his fuck ups has worn thin.
    Back to the issue at hand Red the Ds are running away en masse...this from The Christian Science Monitor with quotes from many Ds. http://www.businessinsider.com/demo...ail&utm_source=alerts&nr_email_referer=1..The troops are angry http://www.businessinsider.com/troo...um=email&utm_source=alerts&nr_email_referer=1 and the SOB had walked away several times before exposing the others to added danger http://www.businessinsider.com/berg...um=email&utm_source=alerts&nr_email_referer=1
    So drop the Fox News BS and man up to the fact that O fucked up big time.
     
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  4. alfredeneuman

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You keep saying this but you never give an example. Obama blames Bush for the things that happened on Bush's watch when people who can't count try to blame pre-2009 problems on Obama. And rightfully so. You can give me an example of his "arrogance" when you do that.
     
  6. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Ah Red I admire your spirit..here as every argument you post is crushed, you bob and weave to keep the it going so you can claim victory in some lame manner. So it is now forget the whole argument about the sorry handling of this event and the president's duplicity and raise another red herring. Keep trying I do enjoy it.
     
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  7. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Since negotiations have been going on for a year, we can suspect that these were not their first choices. I ask again . . . why not KSM and the other top-10? The five released prisoners are unrepentant, militant and dangerous. But that's what you must do to to regain hostages. We say "America doesn't negotiate with terrorists", but it is nonsense. Of course we do (see Reagan, 1985). Everybody does. The Israelis, the toughest of all anti-terror fighters, gave up 1,027 prisoners in 2011 for one staff sergeant.

    So what? McChrystal supports the decision to get the soldier back. That is the point. Two imperatives are at play here: Bergdahl remains a member of the US military and therefore is (a) subject to military justice and (b) subject to the soldiers creed that we don't leave anyone behind.

    Of all of the jurisdictional disputes between Presidents and Congress, the president stands on his firmest ground as Commander in Chief. And he has the power to negotiate prisoner exchanges. Congress was aware that negotiations were going on, they have stated this. But the 'notification" had to be foregone, the White House has reported, because the Taliban threatened to kill Bergdahl if word of the negotiations were made public. It forced quick action. In any case the "notification" would not have enabled Congress to interfere with the Commander in Chiefs authority to negotiate prisoner exchanges.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Such is the nature of a debate, amigo. It's not about "victory", it is about contention to make your point. It is a representational argument and a serious debater must be tenacious to represent his position. It ain't personal.

    And you raised the red herring of Obama blaming this problem on Bush, which has not happened. It became my duty to challenge you to provide examples . . . which you can't.
     
  10. alfredeneuman

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    That's the made-up version of the soldier's creed. The Soldier's Creed states I will never leave a fallen comrade. Attempting to invoke the Soldier's Creed is laughable when you actually read how many of those provisions he violated by walking away.
     
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