2014 State of the Union Address

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  1. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    First of all, I had no interest in State of the Union.

    Secondly, I am profoundly disgusted with President Obama

    Third, same goes for obstructionist GOP/Tea Party.

    Fourth. Red is correct about the AR15. The wide spread press reporting that it was in the trunk was wrong, but that was clarified after the media had gone to its next headline.

    Fifth. The AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon. Sorry Red, but calling it such is a cred.-buster.

    Sixth. The country is in the shitter, there is no way out.

    Seventh. I have been off school all week, lots of web surfing and I am astounded at the lack of coverage/interest on State of the Union.

    Eighth. Playing who has the most Exec Orders is beneath you guys. Only the substance of an order in question is relevant to the
    Constitutional encroachment question. The number issued is incredibly irrelevant.

    Geaux Tigers
     
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  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Wait, so it was reported as being in the trunk, but then sometime later (well past a week) the "media" figures out "oh gee, maybe it wasn't in the trunk". So how exactly does that happen?
     
  3. HalloweenRun

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    Surprised you would ask that. The media are tools and fools. Sheep.

    However, I am bored after being iced in for three and tomorrow will be four days, so...if I remember I will put a time line together for you.
     
  4. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    Shane, that was easy.

    Here is the Connecticut State Police Report on the weapons found with the guy in the school.

    http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284

    If you are gonna go all conspiracy theory on me, I can't help you on that.

    Additional, widespread reporting confirms all the victims were shot with the .223, only the killer had been shot with his pistol.

    The initial, bushmaster in trunk report was from NBC, though even early on, there are reports that the gun in the trunk was to long for an AR. It was a Russian Made shotgun ...Izh........, can't spell it.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I know all about the "conspiracy" and of course I'm not buying into that.

    What I'm saying is NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN, every other 3 letter news source said the AR was in the trunk. This was all well over a week after the shooting, maybe even more than that. So now it is a shotgun in the trunk, well now, last I looked they look nothing like each other so how did they get this wrong?

    See, I'm not refuting if he used the .223, I really don't care. What I have issue with is it was one place for a very long time, and now all of a sudden "no, that was a shot gun". I don't buy that. You shouldn't either.
     
  6. HalloweenRun

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    First of all, do you really think that we have reached the point in America where the state police put out a totally, flagrantly falsified document, with a coroner in cahoots about wounds being from .223?

    Secondly, you are basing your case on network news people? Really, I thought you disparaged those idiots like the rest of us.


    If you do a search there are a number of things the media got wrong at Sandy Hook, usually like " the 10 biggest mistakes the media made..." Remember, initially, the same sources you cite said it was the shooters brother.

    I also point out the date of the Police statement. It followed yet another you tube wave of ar in the trunk. CT police were pretty consistent over time in stating which weapons were where. You will note it is a follow up to re-confirm.

    Finally, again you can find it if you look, of an officer clearing the weapon from the trunk. Though grainy, it, if you understand weapons, which you certainly do, shows a shotgun being cleared and not a bushmaster.

    I would add if the shotgun was Russian, a Saiga, it does have a magazine.

    Check it out: http://www.saiga-12.com/

    There is no doubt, absolutely none, in my mind, that the shooter used the ar in the school. You certainly have the right to look at the same data, and draw a different conclusion.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Right, I get all that. I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying because you are too hell bent on being right.

    It is really quite simple. There were many reports of the ar being in the damned trunk, long after the shooting had taken place. Why? If the cops were saying this wasn't true why did it take so long to get the story recanted or fixed? That is all I'm saying. I'm with martin on this one. Tragic but oh well. Didn't affect me personally and I didn't follow it very closely. I just know I saw the report saying the ar was in the trunk. I'd just like to know why that was out for so very long before it was corrected.
     
  8. HalloweenRun

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    I am with you on having no idea on why it took so long to get universal understanding. I too heard the initial story of ar in trunk. Doesn't matter if I am right or wrong, but here is a Good Morning America story from 12/16/2012 "getting it right". http://abcnews.go.com/US/connecticu...&ref=http://digitaljournal.com/article/340113

    I'm done, if really do understand your point. I think the answer is just sad commentary on news reporting in this country.
     
  9. shane0911

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    I can live with that.
     
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    And initial reports often have it wrong, even major news outlets. But this is a mature story now and the details have long been out. Amigo, why do you cling to the notion that the shooter didn't use an assault rifle on those young children? 156 shots. You might find this article interesting, it describes the persistent internet myth that the assault rifle was in the trunk.

    One day after the shooting CBS was accurately reporting about the guns based on police sources. You may note that a shotgun was found in the vehicle, but two pistols and an assault rifle were found with the shooter.

    Reference 16 is to an "article" which cites and links to the official final report on the crime. http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

    Reference 22 is to the State Police statement on the weapons used in the shooting. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/25/sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza-report. This was four days after the shooting.

    Not sure how you could miss Reference 39 entitled Connecticut State Police Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting Report

    Now that is perfect. ;)
     
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