2013 QB Anthony Jennings Commits to LSU

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Indeed. I didn't say that they couldn't compete, but they are still the exception to the rule. And they have to be exceptional Tebow or Newton-type talents, which just don't come along very often.
     
  2. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    I'm with Red. I'm pretty excited about having a pure dropback passer this year.
     
  3. Tiger_fan

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    yes, you have to be an exceptional talent to win the Heisman like Newton and Tebow did, and QBs that win the Heisman don't come along very often..."pro style" or dual threat

    but 6 of the last 12 QBs that won the Heisman were dual-threat QBs (Ward, Crouch, Smith, Tebow, Newton, Griffin)

    and considering that you don't need to be a run threat to play QB (and the overwhelming majority of QBs are not run threats), it would appear that dual threat QBs have an EXTREMELY much higher chance of winning the Heisman

    like 10% of college QBs are dual-threat, yet 6 of the last 12 QBs that won the Heisman were dual-threat

    now sure, not that it matters for NCAA greatness, only 2 of those Heisman winning dual threat QBs have done well in the NFL: Tebow and Newton, and Griffin hasn't taken an NFL snap yet, and Ward didn't even try the NFL, he did the NBA instead (1st round pick in NBA draft - played 12 years in NBA as a floor general PG)

    but look at those 6 one-threat QBs that won the Heisman since 1993, how well did they do in the pros? Wuerffel, Weinke, Palmer, White, Leinart, Bradford
     
  4. Tiger_fan

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    Jennings IS A PRIMARY DROP BACK PASSER, he just happens to be a drop back passer in an athletic body. if you were a 49ers fan when Steve Young took over, would you be dissatisfied that he was a dual-threat QB instead of a one threat QB?
     
  5. Tiger_fan

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    just because you can walk and chew gum at the same time doesn't mean you are only great at walking, but not at chewing gum..or that you are are only great at chewing gum, but not at walking

    like RG3, one of the greatest PASSING QBs in NCAA history put it, at only the age of 22:

    “I don’t want people to think I’m just an option quarterback ,” Griffin said. “It’s not something you can prove, I don’t think. Perception is reality so it doesn’t matter how many yards you throw for, what you do in practice or what you do in the games. If you can run a little bit you’ll always be smacked with that stereotype.”
     
  6. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    This is a great point. A quarterback who can run is not necessarily a "running quarterback," which is really a euphemism for "option quarterback."
     
  7. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    A quarterback with great pocket passing but that can run a little is normally ranked as a pro style qb. I'm not going to compile all of it but go through the last 10 years or pro style versus dual threat guys on Rivals and let me know which group you think comes out as the better group of college and pro qb's. Like Red said, two of the very best, Tebow and Newton, were dual threat but you have a much better shot of hitting on a qb if he's a pro style qb.
     
  8. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Well, here's the point in Red's favor. Use the past 12 Heisman winning QBs as Tiger_Fan compared. You're grouping Ward, Crouch, Smith, Tebow, Newton, Griffin as "runners" and Weurffel, Weinke, Palmer, White, Leinhart, Bradford as "pro-style". In style, you're all over the map with the "running" group. Ward and Crouch were option guys, Smith was a runner in a pro-style offense, Newton and Griffin were spread, and I don't know what you'd call Tebow. But in general, the pro-style group was a much better group of passers, although Newton - and especially Griffin - break that mold. Red's not calling for a guy who is a statue in the pocket, like Weinke or Weurffel. He wants a guy who understands the nuiances of a modern passing offense, and has the physical tools to back it up. The ability to run is an added bonus, but the "running quarterbacks" in the Heisman comparison - excluding RG3 - made their bones on the ability to run the ball, not throw it.
     
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    Not disputing the direction you're going here at all, because I agree with the premise. Just correcting you that Charlie Ward was not an option QB. He was a pro-style guy who could run if need be. If you look at his stats he only ran for a little over 300 yards his Heisman year with a few TD's. He made his bones through the air, as evidenced by him winning every QB award there was to win over a two year time frame. But he was small by NFL standards so he was told he would never be given a fair chance. Many non-scouts thought that was bull and he would have been an exception because of his mind and athleticism, but of course he chose the NBA.

    Troy Smith was very similar. He had less than 300 rushing yards for his CAREER at OSU and part of that was him actually lining up as a running back. He was a drop-back passer as well.

    Truthfully, neither of those guys belong in the "runners" category, which actually gives further credence to the idea that a pro-style guy who can be mobile if necessary is better than having a running QB.
     
  10. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    I stand corrected, although I'm doing it while sitting.
     

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