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2012-2013 LSU Men's Basketball General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'The Tiger's Den' started by TGer'nLHornLand, Nov 26, 2012.

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red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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Season tickets for football are expensive, especially if you have parking passes or premium seats. I once had basketball tickets too, through the entire Dal Brown era. But they were also expensive. When LSU was riding high in basketball, I kept them up. But when LSU started foundering under Brady, I dropped them. It was just too much money to spend on tickets to see a poor product. People don't want to go see a poor program. There is no place on earth where people will go and watch consistently poor teams.

Dale Brown brought the crowds to the PMAC. When another coach does as well, the crowds will return. This is the way it has always been. It works that way in football and baseball, too.

red55, Feb 24, 2013

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If you want fans to pack the PMAC, all we have to do is fire Johnny Jones...and hire Nick Saban as men's basketball coach...and use all the Saban envy that's rampant here to our advantage !!!!

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Attendence aside, with the BB recruiting finished for this year (I guess?) who are the top recruits for 2014 that LSU has a real chance to get committments from? Hornland - Green, any early inside info?

Tom Callender, Feb 24, 2013

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How can you argue that LSU is not a baseball school? That's just silly.

ok awesome, Feb 25, 2013

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The Basketball attendance you see, has nothing to do with Football, and everything to do with Baseball. Here's what you underestimated. LSU isn't arguably a Baseball school, LSU has led the entire Nation in Baseball attendance for the past 17 years.

http://www.wwltv.com/sports/college...endance-for-17th-straight-year-158935155.html

LSU seats over 10,700 & Bama seats almost 3,500 in Baseball, according to the SEC 2012 Baseball attendance records. While Bama & others may be beating LSU in Basketball attendance right now, they are all failing in Baseball attendance, compared with the monster that is LSU Baseball.

How did it happen? Skip Bertman & lots of winning. What was happening 17 years ago in LSU Basketball when things started to change? Think about 1986. LSU went to a Final 4 & College World Series. Our Baseball attendance set a new attendance record, 14th in the Nation, but nowhere close to where it is now. Basketball easily outdrew Baseball in those days.

That's why your dreams of seeing LSU Basketball go back to the way it was in the 80's & early 90's is going to be very, very tough. I'd like to see it happen too, it was a great time. But I wonder if it can happen now...things have obviously changed. Lots of wins will certainly help & have no doubt that JJ will win big at LSU. But will all the fans come back to the PMAC?

Seriously, how many colleges have gone from being a very good Basketball 2nd school, to leading the Nation in Baseball?

I do agree though, that people in LA. that know Basketball, have next season in the PMAC already circled, and we'll see a decent sized attendance spike.
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Great post and good points. Not sure how many SEC teams/fans have the same "options" as LSU fans in the sense that you get crazy, spend serious dough in the fall, and then, some few months later, you get crazy and spend a lot of money on baseball. I would have guessed that certain schools like Alabama, Vanderbilt, Florida, would be similarly situated, but maybe I'm underestimating that nut. Even still, as I said, I can't imagine that the seemingly lack-luster hoops attendance is solely due to baseball. I for one, wouldn't pay my money to watch baseball, but I would for basketball for example. But, I can't argue with the fact that 10k+ attend baseball, which does compete with basketball starting about right now.

I think again, that it does take time for a fanbase to change season ticket purchasing/momentum around a new coach and a new team, and certainly agree that folks want to see a winner. I guess the flipside of course is that with only 2 home games left, when this basketball team is in the "stretch run", the cost of a ticket and the fact that baseball is going on, shouldn't be an valid excuse for us not getting more than 8K to show up, should it? Shouldn't "true fans" start to get the word and come out, for one or two key home games?

I think it will be an interesting measure of fan support next year, because certainly, LSU will be challenging for the upper echelon in the SEC. If we only average say 1K more than this year, I'll kind of view that as a disappointment. I was very nicely surprised to see that the women drew like 6700 in their game against UK the other night, when they probably average something like half of that. Of course, when you compare that to somewhere like Tennessee and it's a completely different world--and you've got to wonder how Nicki Caldwell feels when she played at UTenn...

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TGer'nLHornLand said: ↑

Great post and good points. Not sure how many SEC teams/fans have the same "options" as LSU fans in the sense that you get crazy, spend serious dough in the fall, and then, some few months later, you get crazy and spend a lot of money on baseball. I would have guessed that certain schools like Alabama, Vanderbilt, Florida, would be similarly situated, but maybe I'm underestimating that nut. Even still, as I said, I can't imagine that the seemingly lack-luster hoops attendance is solely due to baseball. I for one, wouldn't pay my money to watch baseball, but I would for basketball for example. But, I can't argue with the fact that 10k+ attend baseball, which does compete with basketball starting about right now.

I think again, that it does take time for a fanbase to change season ticket purchasing/momentum around a new coach and a new team, and certainly agree that folks want to see a winner. I guess the flipside of course is that with only 2 home games left, when this basketball team is in the "stretch run", the cost of a ticket and the fact that baseball is going on, shouldn't be an valid excuse for us not getting more than 8K to show up, should it? Shouldn't "true fans" start to get the word and come out, for one or two key home games?

I think it will be an interesting measure of fan support next year, because certainly, LSU will be challenging for the upper echelon in the SEC. If we only average say 1K more than this year, I'll kind of view that as a disappointment. I was very nicely surprised to see that the women drew like 6700 in their game against UK the other night, when they probably average something like half of that. Of course, when you compare that to somewhere like Tennessee and it's a completely different world--and you've got to wonder how Nicki Caldwell feels when she played at UTenn...
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I'll be going to Wednesday's game and I'm curious to see what student attendance will be. Midterms are still a couple of weeks away and admission is free, so there are no excuses there.

lsudolemite, Feb 25, 2013

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Consistency. Fans need consistency. We've had spurts of good and bad for several years now, and I think that has hurt attendence; right when the fans start to think things have turned around and excitement is building, they are rewarded with ho-hum ball. We're getting a taste of success at the end of the season, but I expect the fans will be slow to react next season. If we start winning, by the end of the season the PMAC might be jumping. But if we start slow, expect a slow response.

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Consistency. Fans need consistency. We've had spurts of good and bad for several years now, and I think that has hurt attendence; right when the fans start to think things have turned around and excitement is building, they are rewarded with ho-hum ball. We're getting a taste of success at the end of the season, but I expect the fans will be slow to react next season. If we start winning, by the end of the season the PMAC might be jumping. But if we start slow, expect a slow response.
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I hear what you are saying, but isn't that sort of an excuse? What is consistency? Consistency within a season (Tigers have won something like 9 out of 12 games here recently) or consistency over several seasons? If so, just look at attendance records at Vanderbilt, Arkansas, and Tennessee. How consistent have those programs been? Are a few more Wins here and there really the reason? I think consistency does lead to overall support and trends in attendance from season to season, but I don't think it is the end all be all here.

Good win by the way, for the LSU tigers last night! And, another thread to discuss HOOPS specific to a game!? Way to go posters!

TGer'nLHornLand, Feb 28, 2013

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How can you argue that LSU is not a baseball school? That's just silly.
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I didn't get that statement either.

islstl, Feb 28, 2013

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the point about baseball is a good one, its similar to the well-known one about football but more believable. i can see how baseball or even football affects season tickets, but how are there not 10k that will go to a basketball game in January? hell, the season is 2/3 over before baseball starts.

the low attendence through the brady years and even the last SECC run is hard to stomach. especially when you see that bama, tenn and mizz have never been to the FF.

i dont think this is really a knock on lsu, just reality. i dont think there are any fan bases that support three sports really well, are there? probably UTx

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