Actually, I was being very polite... if you didn't look at the scoreboard LSU got beatup in most of the games, basically you had about 4-6 games that were won on a few individual plays. I think LSU is very very very lucky to be 9-3. Crowton took what wasn't broken and didn't mess with it much, but he did put in the predictable player substitutions which everyone figured out by year #2. All the BYU fans yelled that this would happened, they were right. I think it's on the low end of the spectrum, if you know what I think why I am even typing this. 15-25 seems within reason to me, I think LSU will be lucky to only lose 3 games next year based on what I have said... you are not going to have a top 10 team with 4-5-6 losses it doesn't matter what your schedule is. Actually, in some ways they were much more enjoyable to watch. It's pretty clear this isn't working on any level, if LSU were playing with scrubs that would be one thing. I support the players because they are working hard and playing hard, and I think that is great. If the current state of plays continues on this way, I suspect recruiting will be very difficult. Sorry most neutral observers are not going to agree with you... whether or not they are right is a different matter. I seriously doubt you will see LSU in the top 8 in anyone's poll pre-season for next year. You are ranting and raving like a delusional fan. You certainly don't have to agree with the polls... but if you can't see the issues I have no idea what to tell you. I guess the alternative is, it's a BIG conspiracy. Average losses over the last three years is 3.3 per year, if you are voting top 10 you think the team will finish with 3 or less losses(and the three loses have to on a tough SOS).... more or less. Do I think LSU will loss 2 or less games or 3 and more games? My guess is 3 or more next year based on what I have mentioned. #15-25 seems pretty justified to me based on the circumstances, in my opinion 21 seems a tad too low but it's opinion.
Ok, Les Miles' team in 08 severely underachieved on Defense. Miles made changes, the Defense improved. I think the D will continue to improve. The O in 09 severely underachieved, Miles is making changes for the better. Personally, Les Miles lost me after the Alabama game when he didn't stand up for his team and fanbase. I will never forget that, and then the Ole Miss fiasco didn't help either. However i appreciate the fact that he is committed to getting better and to change. As long as Miles is the coach at LSU i will continue to support him regardless of what my personal feelings are towards him as a coach. He loves LSU, he is a class act, and you don't hear about the things that happen in Gainesville or Knoxville or Tallahassee, happening in Baton Rouge.
You've accused me of "ranting and raving" and being "delusional" several times in this thread. I am, in fact, not doing that, nor am I delusional. The ranters and ravers and delusional types on this board are typically the ones who irrationally hate Miles. I like to discuss football, and I don't like to yell. As for the topic of the thread, I'm with many of the folks who aren't ready to predict anything for any of the teams in that poll for next year before this season is complete.
The problem that many here seem to have with you is that you characterize yourself as a neutral observer(which you are not, you claim to be an LSU fan), while perpetually painting everyone that disagrees with you as a "delusional fan". It's insulting to another person's intelligence and you are fully aware of it. Such statements are unlikely to help convince anyone here of your point of view. You do make some valid points on occasion. But your anti-Miles bias bleeds through, just as much as someone wearing purple and gold shades. Another thing that might help you is to stop degrading all of LSU's victories under Miles as "luck". Again, I doubt you will change your broken record, but it goes again to your bias and does nothing to gain you credibility. There are plenty of things that can be fixed/improved on this team, and Miles is the head man so he is not without fault. However, there are plenty of things on this team that work, hence Miles record is better than any other LSU coach(including Saban). Constantly denigrating the good things Miles does while ascribing all good things as "luck" is fallacious, and will quickly get you disregarded. I doubt you will change a thing, and thus you will continue to be ignored by most people here.
Who said I was neutral, I try and look at it as a neutral party would.... many here don't. They are so delusional they think #21 is bad. You don't have to agree with the poll, it's neither right or wrong... nobody is claiming it's right. If you can't see where a neutral party could get a ranking in that area then I think you are high. That does not mean they will not finish top 10 nor does it mean they will even be ranked at all. It's either a conspiracy or that is really what they think, I am telling what they are looking at because I am looking at the same thing. Of course, the delusional fan has no need for one of his fantasies to disappear. If you think I am wrong where do you think the major polls will put LSU pre-season? You know what a #21 ranking or in that area is... one more loss then LSU has right now at the end of the year.
This very sentence is so contradictory, it doesn't even warrant a rebuttal. You have agreed that the ranking is valid. You have constantly stated that this team is in bad shape, and is lucky to have the record they do. Most of Miles wins came by luck, not skill, effort, and least of all coaching. And if anyone disagrees with your assessment, they are delusional. You throw that word around a lot and feign naivety as to it's negative implication. It's the reason most people ignore you, and nearly all here disagree with you. I never mentioned the poll. Not in support or dispute. But you have, and you have agreed with it. Go read your own comments in this thread, or just continue to deny them. I won't bother quoting them. Yet another reason people continue to ignore you and your arguments. No, the poll does not mean that. But you have claimed that the coaching will insure that we finish like that, in thread, after thread, after thread. Unless Miles gets "lucky" again. Then you agree with the poll. I am sure this means something to you, but I doubt it makes sense to anyone else. I put no stock in pre-season polls, especially ones that come out before the current season is over. It epitomizes stupidity. The point I made is how you proceed to turn off debate by constantly referring to anyone that disagrees with you as delusional. And also by referring to Miles wins as "lucky", and nothing more. You have spouted the same tune in every thread you post in, and it has not altered. Yet you continually claim to hope for a different result. Would that be considered "delusional"??
If you don't look at the scoreboard, you don't understand what winning football games is all about. There are no style points, this ain't figure skating. :insane: Look, there are two kinds of people in the world. Those that put all blame for everything on the coaches and the magic cure is always to fire them. Then there are those that recognize that much of the problem is with the players, too. One would have to be a complete doofus not to realize that LSU's quarterback play the past two years is way substandard and is largely the source of all of our problems. I suspect you don't follow recruiting much. LSU has recruited extremely well over Les' tenure and will land another top class this year. Most don't agree with you either. You are not a neutral observer. #9 or 10 doesn't bother me much. Why would it bother you? You are ranting and raving like a delusional Bama fan. And average wins is 9.6. If we beat Penn state we will finish with 10 wins and a top-10 ranking.
