14 of the first 17 first down plays were runs vs Mississippi State

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  1. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    He never stated it was fact or an absolute, he was making an observation. And a rather astute one.

    The defensiveness in your position makes you a bit jumpy, eh?

    Again, you're on the wrong side of this one.

    It's ok to be wrong, amigo.
     
  2. ThePhenom74

    ThePhenom74 Founding Member

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    I ask you this with all due respect. I know you like to show loyalty to Miles, I respect that. I also know that you have a great understanding of football. My question is this. What do you feel is the honest problem with play calling under three separate OC's?

    I think the nail was hit on the head by P&G when he said that Miles is basically saying what he wants in the gameplan. He may not be calling plays but he is influencing the gameplan to be conservative. I think Miles gave Cam full reigns last year because he knew Mett was ready. With a young QB, Miles tends to be too conservative. That is my observation.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    We won a lot of football in that time. There were an awful lot of very good calls made, don't you remember? My issue is only that people are quick to blame everything on Les and when I ask why, they can't really point to anything except gut feelings and opinions, which are fine. I'm not really loyal to Les, I'm loyal to logic. I ask people for their reasoning and sometimes they have good reasons and sometime they have no reasons at all. Emotions are doing a lot of the accessing around here.

    That is fine. I think it's obvious that more could be done with an experienced passer like Mettenberger than with two green rookies. I think it is also obvious that a head coach is going to have the kind of team that he wants. Crowton and Cameron failed as head coaches and Studrawa has never even sniffed a HC job. Les has a right and an obligation to direct his coordinators. I have just failed to see the evidence that Les is responsible whenever things go bad and the coordinator is responsible when they do good.

    Cameron could have opened up the pass game more early on and we could have thrown a bunch of interceptions and the same people would be screaming for the running game and blaming Les for forcing Cameron to pass.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You just can't stand to be disagreed with, can you?
     
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    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Like I said, it doesn't matter if Joe Montana is your quarterback when all you do is hand the ball off.
     
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    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    There is your favorite tactic when you have nothing better to offer. Turn it back on the other person.

    Well done. Well, not really. But yeah.
     
  7. ThePhenom74

    ThePhenom74 Founding Member

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    I agree that many react emotionally. I admit I'm one that does react in an emotional manner. However, I have watched football for a long time. I have an understanding of what is going on. I do not think I'm overreacting in my criticism of Miles and staff. Like I've said in the past. Another issue with Miles is that when he makes a blunder it tends to be costly and one that a coach of his stature should not consistently make.

    Since Miles is the HC and he makes the decisions in directing his OC and DC in producing a gameplan under his direction then he does deserve a lot of the blame. He is the decision maker and leader. I remember many wanting to blame Crowton and Stud for how pathetic the O looked. Now we are seeing that again with Cam. Eventually it has to fall on Miles.

    I completely understand how your playbook will be far more limited with AJ/Harris vs Mett. That is NOT the issue. The issue is how poorly coached and prepared the team has been. The issue is the uber predictable plays within the formation and down. The issue is that we consistently put ourselves in third and long. The D knows it will now be a pass. They will bring the house against a poor OL. You are NOT at all helping a young QB. You have to let him throw early on at times to keep the D honest. We have a lot of talent on the outside, all be it young.

    If we open things up and play to win I have no issue with losing. I just want to see an improved product. I do not think that is too much to ask for or overly criticizing Miles and staff.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The team is poorly prepared, for sure. But not all of Les' teams have been so, it has really been since '08 and '09 that we have seen this. I think much must be placed on the players as well. The loss of so many upperclassmen is showing. This young team is just not picking up things very fast, which may be understandable for underclassmen. The coaches are having to deal with this and I think the fans must accept it as well. Time will cure inexperience.

    It is never too much to want improvement. I just think folks are too upset about that 1st and goal that didn't work and forget about the halfback pass that worked beautifully and caught everyone by surprise or that the quarterback missed six wide-open receivers on pass plays that were called and would have worked.

    I hope Harris gets an opportunity to show that he can make those passes because we really haven't seen him under whole-game circumstances yet. I think he will. I expect this game to be a quarterback derby to find a reliable passer for Auburn. I expect Cameron will pass the ball a lot. But he also needs that running game to be working better, so don't expect us to abandon it.
     
  9. ThePhenom74

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    I agree that we can not abandon the run. We just need more diversity not only with the play calling in general, but within the formation, and personnel groups. We also need to light a fire under the ass of the OL.

    Hopefully Harris begins to "get it," because he brings so much to the table.
     
  10. LSUTiga

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    Please answer the question, sir.
     

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