13 Cover Ups and Counting

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    He's the one that inflicted the suffering on his sisters, pardon me if I don't feel sorry for him.

    And what I'm saying about the guy I know is that if he has to be a registered sex offender for peeing in his yard when a school bus went by. Duggar should have to be one for molesting a little girl or little girls.

    How is it childish to say he molested a 5 year old, that's what he did. Regardless of the fact that you think it's not as big a deal because he was 14. Are you kidding me here?

    We don't know what the full extent of what went on. Pardon me if I don't believe their account. You can believe what you want, maybe you're right, maybe you aren't.
     
  2. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    I don't feel sorry for him. I am saying that he is being punished in a big way for what he did 12 years ago.

    For all intents and purposes, Duggar is a registered sex offender. Is there anyone who doesn't know or who couldn't find out with a simple search? You said Duggar should be on a lifetime registry. I asked what Tier sexual abuse did your friend get charged with because that dictates the time on a registry. I highly doubt his is for life.

    Because you continue to insist that people are ignoring that fact and they are not. Yes, he did it. We all know that. He wasn't charged at the time so there's not much one can do about it now. It is a DIFFERENT crime when a 14-year old commits it than when a full-grown adult does. I have given several reasons why that is.

    There were victims outside the Duggar family. If the accounts were different, we'd likely know about it by now or we will at some point.

    My first roommate in college confessed that she had been molested and raped by her oldest brother (he was older than 14) from the time she was 7 until she finally stopped it at 16. Her mother "knew" but never did anything because she didn't want the "perfect family" picture to be disrupted with something so vile. When her dad finally found out, he didn't want anything done because he was afraid it would have a negative impact on his professional reputation and his job. So she never went to the police. He was never held accountable. And still, years later, she was trying to forge a "normal" brother/sister relationship with him because he was family. She did want a big brother and she didn't want the family to blame her for a potential incarceration or for the family to break apart. It's complicated. Far more than you seem to realize. The Duggar girls are behaving well within the range of what can be expected based on what they say happened.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Obviously. What is not obvious is WHY don't you believe their account? What is to be gained by imagining something worse than what happened?
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Because they lied to Fox News. In their defense though it is Fox News, maybe Jim Bob was interviewing for a job.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Oh my god, I've said over and over I'm probably being a hypocrite because that's a strange situation and I don't know how I would handle it if it were my kids.

    You're right about the sex offender register thing though, it isn't like no one knows he is one or should be one.
     
  6. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    I can guarantee that if your 14-year old son could face a lifetime of sex offender registry, you wouldn't take him to the police. I don't think you would do what so many parents do and deny it, but you would probably try to get him counseling and handle it within your family. Your instinct to protect the victim would also likely override your sense of propriety and keep you away from the police.

    The Adam Walsh Act is like a lot of other well-meaning bits of legislation that get signed and put into law. They sometimes catch fish in the net that don't belong there. I have a problem with ANY 14-year old lugging around their crimes for the rest of their life....even those who murder. Rehabilitation has to be an option for anyone who is a juvenile and set to be out of jail. If they can never get a decent job or find a place to live, that helps nobody.

    As for Duggar, he's suffering enough. I am far more concerned with his sisters....and his children. This attention will continue to be visited upon them and follow them at some point and they don't deserve it.
     
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  7. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    is your math assuming 1 molester = 1 act ? whatever the rate is, it is assuredly >1.
     
  8. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    No. Much more general but still likely understated. US population with a 1 in 4 statistic of being a victim. And clearly non-reporting and the low percent of convictions is a big reason why the number on the national registry is so low.

    On a side note, one thing I learned from the police regarding local registries like Megan's Law here in CA, a significant number of identified molesters and pedophiles travel just outside their registered address (if they are even living there) to offend. They rarely select a victim in the same zip code. It's one reason why cops will often run a plate on random cars in traffic or follow an offender out of their neighborhood. So while it's important to know who lives next door, it can be just as likely to be someone living in the next city.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That kind of flies against the old adage that most abusers are people the victims know.
     
  10. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Yes and no. Most abusers ARE someone the victim knows but because of that fact, they are the least likely to be reported, have charges filed, be convicted which is how folks get on the list in the first place. Therefore, the majority of people on the registry are the ones who aren't family or friends, not necessarily the defining population of abusers.
     

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