13 Cover Ups and Counting

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  1. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    I think the point vball is making is that any parent would do this. You catch your kid stealing out of your wallet, you deal with it. You catch some other kid doing it and you call the cops. I'm not saying it's right, but there aren't many parents who would call the police and potentially have their kid have to register as a sex offender the rest of his life if they could deal with it themselves. What would you do in their shoes? Call the cops and have your older child arrested? Once again, I'm not saying it's right, just that what they did is what most parents would do.
     
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    mobius481 Registered Member

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    I love the term "finger banging". So perfectly descriptive.
     
  3. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    I get that completely, it just all smells bad to me. The defense they are mounting is crazy.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No one is disputing that they are hypocrites. That just doesn't make them rapists, pedophiles, and enablers of such. If their TV show had not made them public figures, then lawsuits would be flying about the disregard of privacy laws concerning the daughters, who are very upset. Records that are supposed to be sealed are being reported on in a media frenzy. The daughters complain, with justification, that the media expose has negatively impacted their teenage lives far worse that being briefly groped by a brother who did not hurt them and was forgiven long ago.
     
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  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    http://jezebel.com/so-the-duggars-lied-a-lot-during-last-nights-fox-news-i-1709080779
    They covered up the abuse of a minor which is against Arkansas law, and the release of those records according to Arkansas law was not illegal.

    So why should anyone believe that this steaming pile of shit just groped his sisters?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Who cares what anyone believes? What matters is what a prosecutor can prove and he can't just make up shit. He has the interviews from all parties concerned (13) to work with. He decided there was no case.
     
  7. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    No however the intent was clearly there and that intent and his resulting indifference to it were part of the consideration in his sentencing. These two situations are not comparable. I have not and will not try to claim one is worse than the other. What is clear is that one person was 14 at the time and has accepted full responsibility, the other was almost 30 and is still trying to disclaim most of what he was charged with. Had Josh Duggar gone to juvenile hall at the time, I'm all for it.
    That isn't what the article said. What was suggested was that they "could have been" charged with permitting abuse. Do you know how difficult that is to prove and how few parents actually get convicted of that? It is very rare and even less prevalent when the perpetrator is both a family member, and a minor. And what they did was lawyer up, not cover up. Pretty standard for most folks in a similar situation.

    You are correct, the record release was not illegal, obtained through FOIA, and yet what was the purpose of the magazine? Did they ever think to consider how the victims would feel about having to go through it all again, only this time in front of the entire country? I don't think anyone, including the Duggars, have ever said it was just his sisters. There were at least 3 others from other families and none of them have spoke out negatively about the Duggars, Josh, or the interview....yet. They are also reliving this issue again.

    Why did Hollywood and everyone else raging on at this point, look the other way when Lena Dunham wrote in a book that she did way more than finger fuck her little sister when they were minors? Seems she got a hall pass. Reverse discrimination because she is a female?
     
  8. uscvball

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    Nearly impossible to have a case here. No physical evidence and testimony would have to come from toddlers, young children. 99% of parents don't want to put their young children in such a situation to testify particularly when it includes testifying against a family member. It could add more pain to an already confusing issue. Studies show that even physicians who suspect child abuse 10% of the time, only report it 6% of the time. So a doctor doesn't even report when they think they should and they are legally mandated reporters.
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    The statute of limitations is up anyway. I'm just defending my position that the dude is a scumbag and his sisters have been brainwashed by the parents.
     
  10. uscvball

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    But you haven't been successful. The sisters have behaved very much the way other adult survivors have after having been sexually abused by a family member. Do you really believe that the only way for them to prove that they aren't brainwashed is to call him a pedophile and claim they don't forgive him? They have said what he did was "VERY WRONG". What else do you need to see or hear to understand where they are coming from as adults?
     

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