Why I will never support a so-called "Palestinian" state

You really should read the history of Israel. When the Diaspora Jews began returning to Palestine in the latter half of the 19th century, which was a distant province of the old Ottoman Empire, the land had gone to waste and was desolate, abandoned, and almost unpopulated. It consisted of malaria infested swamps and deserts. The Jews drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom. They created commerce and prosperity, and that affluence attracted migrant Arab workers from surrounding neighboring countries who moved to the Palestine to work for the Jews.

"In a 7 year monumental investigation, historian Joan Peters researched the origins of the Arab inhabitants of Palestine. To her surprise she discovered that they had not been in Palestine 'from time immemorial'. She titled her book "From Time Immemorial".

Peters quoted an early statement by Churchill (1939) that effectively challenged the claim that the Arabs had been in Palestine for millennia.

"So far from being persecuted, the ARABS have CROWDED into the country till their population has INCREASED more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."

Much evidentiary support for her conclusions came from the 1931 census. She noted that non-Jews in Palestine listed at least 24 different countries as their "birthplace"! And that 23 different languages were used by the Muslim community. Plus an additional 28 by Christian Arabs. 51 languages spoken by Arabs!

There was no secular education for Muslims in Palestine under Turkish rule. Study was mostly confined to the Koran, sages' commentaries, and Islamic writings - in Arabic. If all the Arabs in Palestine had been there since time immemorial how come they spoke such a plethora of foreign languages?!"

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

 

Opinions based on blatant propaganda and deliberate historical revisionisms are absolutely meaningless, not to mention also false, and meant only to distort people away from knowing the true real facts.

Those true real facts in this case are that the holy Koran and the Religion of Peace divides the world into two parts: Darb al-Islam, which is the world of Islam and the Islamic umma, and Darb al-Harb, which is the world of war and the infidels.

In the case of Israel, Israel at one time fell into the sphere of Darb al-Islam. Hence, because of that historical nuance it was once a part of the world of Islam (Darb al-Islam), and since Allah forbids the conceding of holy Islamic land to infidels, we have our modern day conflict in Israel today.

That the Israelis happen to be Jews has no significance other than the fact that the Jews are considered to be infidels by Muslims. Just like Christians and all other non-Muslims are considered to be infidels by Muslims also. Although, ostensibly this fact is impossible for Martin to ascertain, since he can’t seem to be capable of overcoming his own blind and idiotic prejudices.

This conflict was never only between just the state of Israel and the so-called Palestinian Arabs. It has always been the entire Arab and Islamic worlds vs. Israel. The tactic of creating a Palestinian people, as Mr. Muhsein clearly and openly admits in his 1977 interview, is only a tactic to further the Arab and Islamic worlds strategic war against the state of Israel.

Moreover, that war, I might add, will continue into perpetuity, because the Muslims believe they have Allah and time on their side. Remember, it took them almost 200 years to defeat the Crusaders. So if it takes 200 years for them to defeat the Israelis, so be it! They believe that they will eventually be victorious, which does not portend well for the future of Israel. Maybe the war on terrorism will take care of all of that, who knows?

And that my friend is the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict in a nutshell.

 

why bother denying that religion is the basis of this problem. christians and jews and muslims all consider these areas to be holy lands, and that is the problem. if judaism has nothing to do with it, then why not just let the palestinians have this stupid land and go somewhere else?

 

Why not have the Palestinians share lands with thier brethern in the region?
I've thought about this...
They support Hamas and other terrorist groups just like Iran does.

Surely Iran could give welcome them and give them a small piece of land in
Iran or any other countries that are thier brothers such as Egypt or any.

It will never happen, even if these countries would be willing to do it.
The problem isn't all about property.
Last I heard the Palestinian government and some citizen have vowed to the
death of Isreal, that is why they sponser Hamas and terror organizations in
the name of the Palestinian Authority.
Land issue is nothing more than an excuse.

Correct me if I'm wrong,
Didn't the Oslo Peace Accord make a deal between the Palestinians and the Isrealis for peace and to give the Palestinians some land.
Arrafat backed out of it not the Isrealis!

 

How refreshing another religious diatribe from the self-described and self-congratulating religious zealot.
Confirms my belief that the biggest religious zealots are the atheist and agnostics.
They just can't shut up about their religious beliefs and can't stop pushing them on others.
Secularism is the evilest -ism on the planet today.

 

yes atheists are the biggest religious zealots. that makes alot of sense. look around the world, everyone is killing each other for their lack of belief in the supernatural right? its the athiests involved in holy wars, jihads right?

stop lying.

i am not the one who goes to a place once a week to "worship" my magical leader. i do not get on my knees and beg an invisible force to look after me. yea, i am the crazy one.

 

Historically and today secularists have been the most evil persons on the planet.
Not counting of course that belligerent Baptist Adolf Hitler.
Or that crazy Catholic Fidel Castro.
Or that maniacal Methodist Josef Stalin.
Most murders that takes place all over the world everyday are a result of secular political interests.
That some cloak their motives in "Allah" belies the true reason for their actions.
That persons such as yourself act upon what you have been told, with no ability to think for yourself, just an ignorant pile of dung worshipping your secular leaders without question is truly a sad commentary.
That in your igorance, no doubt because that is what you have been told, you believe that >>everyone is killing each other for their lack of belief in the supernatural (presume you mean religion?) right" is a clear expression of both the fact that you are unable to think for yourself and have been sadly given bad information.

 

i will pray to your precious jesus that he casts a spell on you that makes you a more honest person.

 

But if you pray, don't you risk upsetting your leader?
Please, don't take that great risk for me.
Its the same ol' thing with the anti-religion secular zealots.
They've been told what to think, so in their feeble empty minds they've figured it all out.
Anyone who disagrees with them is ignorant, hasn't seen the light, and hasn't changed their foolish ways.
I've had the displeasure of being preached to by the most rabble rousing Baptist, but nothing compares to the non-stop droning, the incessant smarminess, the tiresome rhetoric of the atheist.
I, at least, get it, you don't believe in God. You think everyone who does is silly and you come up with silly little names to represent what you think they are doing.
Stop the preaching already.