War and the Constitution

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  1. CalcoTiger

    CalcoTiger Live Long and Prosper IVI

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    I am a Republican and i support what we are doing as the right thing to do in Iraq bur i want to pose this question to everyoe.

    Why are our President'ss usurping the Constitution of the United States and putting our men and women of the military in harms way without the Declaration of War that is mandated by the Constitution.

    We have been in violation of the Constitution in every conflict since WWII.

    Korea,Vietnam, Iraq1, Iraq 2, etc.

    It is in the Constitution that Congress of these United States is the only entity that can declare war on another country. If President Bush would have gone to Congress before going over there he would have had the moral justification from the People of the United States through their duly elected Representatives .

    Then he could have told those countries like France , Germany Etc to go to HE** and been justified.

    Your either with us or your not. If your not then by God stay out of our way.


    Thats my .02 cents.

    Geaux LSU Tigers
     
  2. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    Pres. Bush DID go to Congress before the beginning of hostilities. While not going so far as to actually declare a state of war, Congress basically abdicated that right/responsibility and gave Pres. Bush carte blanche to use whatever force he deemed necessary.

    The problem we have had since WWII is America's involvement in the UN and
    that body's constant reliance upon us to be their police force. It's basically
    robbed us of our sovereign right to declare and wage war as WE see fit.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It's because of the War Powers Act of 1973.

    The War Powers Act of 1973

    Basically in the case of a "national emergency" the constitution can be suspended under certain circumstances. In an undeclared war the president must consult with congress and make reports to them so that they may "fulfill their constitutional responsibilities". But when the Congress is controlled by a presidents own party, this oversight seems to be lacking.


    Example? We have waged at least 10 wars since the UN was founded. I can't think of a single instance where the UN robbed us of a soverign right, certainly not waging war.
     
  4. CalcoTiger

    CalcoTiger Live Long and Prosper IVI

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    Where can i find a copy of this War Powers Act and unless it is a formal amendment to the Constitution voted on by the states it is in violation.

    Congress can not write a law that surrenders their powers provided in the Constitution. That law would be unconstitutional and be thrown out in the Supreme Court.

    Unless it is sent to the States and confirmed by a 2/3 vote. Then in fact it would amend the Constitution. Isnt that correct?

    That means The War Powers Act is in violation!!!

    I am going to try and find out more on this issue.

    I think it should be only Congress that approves War. The President is one man and in order to have the checks and balances provided for by our Governing documents this must be the case!!!
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    See the link above.
     
  6. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    How about a little peninsula known as Korea, Red? Do you really think we go in there in 1950 if the UN doesn't call upon us to spearhead things? I guess it's possible, but I don't really think so.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The US was the primary force behind the Korean Conflict which was just an early phase of what later became the Cold War. The UN was brand new, located in New York, backed the US plan to defend Korea from Communist aggression, and endorsed the military intervention. In no way was our sovereignty compromised.

    When North Korea threatened to invade the south, the US immediately sent ground troops to defend South Korea. South Korea then asked for assistance from the UN. Since the Soviet Union was boycotting the UN, they could not veto the resolution so 16 countries sent troops to assist the South Koreans. They were led by American commanders under MacArthur. Still, the US provided the bulk of the military forces.

    The US was doing what it wanted to in Korea for our own best interests in order to protect our forces in Japan and Okinawa and resist communist expansion. That the UN came along was a bonus and gave international legitimacy to our defense of South Korea. Where in this do you perceive any robbing of US soverignty by the UN? They were dancing to our tune, amigo.
     

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